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This might bE for the older Old Newarkers down at the sons of Italy last night we were talking now on Clinton ave I say up from the Eliz circle there was a bar or club even Jackie Glesson play there now I said the name was the Torch club and say it was the Flame this would be back in the late 30`s or 40`s anybody remember the place
MARYTEE MY FRIEND WHERE HAVE BEEN
Jule Spohn:
Hello Nicky. I looked through the city directories I have for the 30's, 40's, and 50's for the Torch Club and or the Flame and don't see either. Perhaps there was another name before either name, like Billy's Flame or Sam's Torch Club etc. Think a little harder.
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Nicky G:
Thank you Jules that`s the name we thought it was maybe Seymoru Nat he lived in the genral area one time
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EMACPHEE@HESS.COM:
I BELEIVE IT WAS THE MIAMI CLUB.JACKIE GLEASON HAD AN ALTERCATION WITH ONE OF THE PATRONS(TONY GALENTO)HE DID NOT FARE WELL AT ALL
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Sandy C.:
Nick:
Try the Blue mirror. It operated late thirties and into the Forties. It was still there when I left Newark in the summer of '47. Jack E. leonard and other Headliners played there.
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Nicky G:
Thank you Miami club maybe jules could find it the year wasjules was 1935
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Nicky g:
Thank you to the person that said Miami club that was it just found he was MC there for two years
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Everyone. I'm at work right now. When I get home tonight I'll check my 1936 City Directory and see what I can find.
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Monday, August 9, 2004 18:55 Host: ool-4350a0d6.dyn.optonline.net
Hi Everyone,
Well, I got to my shopping trip on Ferry St. and also drove around Newark to see if old sights are still there.
The shopping was good but it was only window shopping. I remembered a fabric store that I particularly wanted to go to. It no longer exists. Ferry St. basically is the same as ever and includes some very nice stores, especially for children's clothing (very good quality - better than anything at the malls) and gift shops. I didn't have lunch there but couldn't resist coffee and pastry at one of the bakeries.
On my ride around town I discovered that the apartment house my father once lived in on West Bigelow St. along with a lot of other buildings has been replaced by a beautiful sports field for Malcolm X. Shabazz High School. It's really first class and includes a track and football field with bleachers.
My church on the corner of Avon Ave. and So. 17th St. has lost its steeple and generally seems in disrepair. So. 17th St. between Avon and Springfield is a mess. My old apartment on the corner of Avon and So. 13th has been torn down. The Madison Ave. area still seems nice.
I noticed that Temple Sheba is still on Springfield Ave. I'm not sure what it is, whether a house of worship or a bar. Can't tell from the outside. It is located in the old Schwaben Halle near So. 12th St.
Coming up from the Ironbound I went up William St. The police had it blocked off at Washington St. probably to protect the telephone building from possible terrorist activity. Imagine the problems we would have if that building went. My brother worked there for many years and I know from him that it handles calls for the entire NY metropolitan area. Once when there was a problem with only one of their lines Wall Street's phones were knocked out.
:rolleyes:
Barb L. Rothschild:
Dear Caroline:
I think you might be referring to the truck mounted amusement rides that seemed to come around once a week, during the summertimes, to your local neighborhood. Usually the "Good Humor" ice cream truck was not too far behind those rides! I can specifically recall the carousel and a ride which was called "The Whip," which would be a series of two seated aluminum-type seats, with a safety rollbar, which came down to protect the riding child. The seats were lined up and would proceed slowly on a track. When the seats came to a corner turn, suddenly the ride would "speed up"...hence the name of "The Whip", since it was intended to produce a "whiplike" action on the turns of those corners. It was a lot of fun, and as a child, you were "brave" to go on this ride, since it was not considered as "mild" a ride as the carousel was!
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. Seems like you had a pretty good trip to Newark. Like you say, some of the areas are still pretty nice while others are still a disaster.
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Caroline:
Hi Jule,
Yes, it was a good trip eventhough the fabric shop is gone. I guess that's kind of symbolic of a lot of other things being gone. The one thing I forgot to do was to go by West Side High School. It was a little out of the way. Instead I drove up Springfield Ave. to Loantaka Brook Rd. and eventually ended up in Peapack-Gladstone. What a contrast in one day!
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. You've seen it all - the good, the bad, and the ugly.
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| Janice Riker |
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Monday, August 9, 2004 16:34 IP: 164.51.78.15
O.K. Help me out here everyone. Who else remembers the kiddie rides that came around the neighborhoods in the 50's? I think I remember someone posting a picture somewhere, but can't find it now. My boss thinks I am losing it when I tell her about those rides. Anyone have a picture? Thanks!!zzwavey
Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice. I remember those rides. There used to be a vacant lot over between 12th and 13th Ave and between 8th and 9th Streets which used to have the old "temporary housing" for veterans after the Second World War. I remember that they used to use that lot for the rides you are talking about.
Wait till Nick DeBenedetto comes on line. He has some of those pictures you are talking about.
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Nicky G:
Janice maybe Glenn Might have one around.
Your right there was one back there somewhere but I think it was Nick D who put it here there
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Nicky G:
Janice didn`t find the merry go round but back in #522 there is a pictrue you might beable to use
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marytee:
I also remember those Janice-your not nuts yet-----no more than the rest of us anyway!
Yeah, the good ole days!
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Caroline Grossmann:
Hi,
I remember two kinds of rides that came around: one that was on small trucks that would come be right on the street - a merry go round for example on the back of a truck; the other kind were much bigger and would be set up on an empty lot or a field - they were amusement park size - this kind is still brought around to towns for weekend events run by churches and other groups. Every year St. Virgil's in Morris Plains runs a weekend of amusement rides in their parking lot with rides of this type.
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Joyce:
Hi Janice. I also remember those rides. As a matter of fact, the whip was my favorite.
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Joyce:
Hi Janice. I also remember those rides. As a matter of fact, the whip was my favorite.
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Joey George:
When I was a kid, a guy I believe his name was Angelo, use to come around with the whip, a small ferris wheel or a small fire engine. The fire engine was a vehicle that about a dozen kids could ride and Angelo would take us for about a 10 block ride from Hinsdale Place on Oraton Street up to Grafton Ave and back. We use to go crazy every weekend when the rides came around! My Dad wasn't too fond of the rides tho and he prayed that they were safe.
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Joanne Urna Murphy:
Don't have a picture but I'll vouch for your sanity. There used to be one that came around out neighborhood in the summers (Mt Prospect and Montclair Aves? in the summers .
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Janice:
Thanks for the assurance about my mind. I pulled up the picture and will show the whippersnapper when she comes in! Thanks again to all!!
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Monday, August 9, 2004 14:19 Host: cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com
SAVOY GRILL
There is an article in this mornings Star Ledger about the latest upscale restaurant to open here in Newark. It is called the Savoy Grill and is located in the beautiful 60 Park Place building which is in the same block as the Robert Treat Hotel and a block or so away from the Performing Arts Center.
This replaces the former Arthur's Restaurant which didn't make it. I never went to Arthur's for a meal. I checked out their menue and saw the maitre'd all dressed to the hilt at noon time and figured that it would be a rather expensive place to dine. Guess they priced themselves out of the market. Downtown Newark is not ready yet for such an "upscale" type restaurant - no matter how hard they try to present that image. In time perhaps, but not just yet.
Fred Petrozzi:
The Bottle!
It's time to put the issue of the Bottle in a proper perspective.
Granted we the Olde Newarkers take a great deal of pride in preserving this historic
treasure, for it is a reminder of the best days of our lives. I don't think a white knight will come forward
save it, and time will erase it after we're long gone. There are many on this site who will never pass this way
again, but a framed picture reminds me every time I log on that it had a place in our neighborhood.
The New Newarkers will have nothing on which to key on to remind them of what we had going for us, they'll never
have the friends, family, and a spirit that made living in Newark the kind of experience that we would gladly go back
too in heartbeat.
Perhaps Glen could incorporate a minature facsimle of the Bottle and Stand on the logo of these pages.
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Nicky G:
THANK YOU MR PETROZZI
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Fred. Good suggestion.
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Mary Ellen:
Fred...AMEN to that!!!!! We do have alot of special memories, of a time when trust was just that...TRUST. You trusted everyone...and you knew everyone!
To this very day, its hard for me to get to know my neighbors, here in Pa, altho I have tried, but it seems its a one sided thing. We were and are still, a friendly bunch of folks who had the good fortune to be born in Newark at a time when it was a pleasure to be there.
We all have met new friends and have stories to tell. This is a great site, I for one am proud to be part of it!
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Monday, August 9, 2004 14:12 Host: cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com
PRUDENTIAL AND THE TERRORIST'S
There is an article in this morning's Star Ledger about the planned attack on the Prudential Insurance Company building here in Newark. Al Quada operatives proposed "gutting the back of a limousine" and packing it with explosives. Among the materials obtained by US officials from that terrorist's computer that they captured wee maps and timetables for NJ Transit and nearby PATH trains - suggesting tht alQaeda might have been trying to figure out ways to escape after their planed attack on the building.
In addition to the Pru building these terrorists were also planning on using speed boats and divers to carry ut attacks in the New York harbor before the November elections. And just now I see an article on the news that they were planning on using some of the tourist helicopters which fly around Manhattan on a daily basis.
A little scarry I would think.
Nicky G:
Jules my friend why just not go back the every day of life and things might a little bit better if these people there is nothing you are going to be able to do about My friend so live a little and let people who`s job it is to worry Have a good day
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Glenn:
It is a little scarry. I'm thinking of cutting back the types of photos that I post on the site. Nothing of the larger buildings that was taken recently.
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Glenn. Any of the photo's you have printed, or will print, are already out there, and have been for many years. Example, when the transit police stopped me from taking photo's inside of Penn Station last fall. Any of those photo's that I took have already been in books at the library since the 30's and even more recently after the renovations.
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Nat Bodian:
Re: Terrorists
Jule:
We have taken our freedoms for granted for so many years that we find these terror alerts upsetting.
One friend told me it upset him to see his grown children go to work in New York City daily. One takes a train and the other a ferry...Imagine, if you will, people living like this most of their lives, never knowing when the next explosion will kill family, friends, or neighbors, or while driving on a highway from one city to another...The Israeli people have been living with this kind of terror on a daily basis for many years and few Israeli families have remained untouched by tragedy caused by terrorist actions...Perhaps, now we here can show more understanding for the Israelis and why it is a life and death matter for them to take the kinds of defensive measures they are often compelled to take.
Most European countries do not seem to understand what the Israelis go through (or do they?) and almost automatically vote with the large Arab bloc in any Arab-sponsored anti-Israel UN vote, of which there have been dozens.
Many countries around the world, over the years, have erected walls for protection. Now, because it is Israel, the wall is perceived as an international threat.
-- Nat
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Nat. The Americans, and the Europeans, have brought this terrible situation on themselves by allowing the open door policies of allowing anyone, and everyone, from the third world countries to come into their midst. For what? They are now learning, I hope, what their positions have done to their own countries. Even with all of this threat, some politicians still believe they did, and are doing,the right thing by allowing these people into their countries.
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Joey George:
I believe Time mgazine has a cover article on the whole thing. Supposedly Al Quida had about 500 sights picked out. The U.S. only issued direct warnings on a few but authorities have contacted privately all of the targets.
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Joey George:
Jule,
There is/was only ONE major politician who has consistantly advocated shutting the doors on immigration. He is the very unpopular Patrick Buchanan. I am a liberal but I have supported Buchanan for many years. What use to be thought of as "off the wall rhetoric" is now bold and innovative. Too bad Buchanan has been shut out by the Republican Party and more lately, by the media. Buchanan is a conservative with true vision. He would have been a marvelous president.
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Veronica:
Hi Jule,
I saw that article. I wondered if rather than looking for an escape route, the terrorists may have been planning attacks on the Pru and NJ Transit and Path at the same time to increase the horror. Whichever, it sure is scary.
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Joey. I too voted for Pat Buchanan in the last election. I contributed a lot of money toward his election. I have a nice photo of he and I at a dinner table when he came to New Jersey several years ago. Politically I am further to the right than he is. Even he let me down during the last six months before the election. As I have said before, most politicians would sell their mother and their soul for a vote and Pat Buchanan did exactly that. Here he is, coming from the conservative right and who did he pick for his running mate when he was going down in the polls - Lonnie Folani - a leftist/marxist, black, lesbian. I still get mail from his "American Cause" and I just throw it into the garbage can without opening it.
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Veronica. That's a good point. Let's hope we never find out what their real goals are.
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Monday, August 9, 2004 12:28 Host: dialup-4.247.251.32.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net
Janice What`s going on up there you people are makeing the TV news all over the place
Change my mind maybe I`ll move up by MaryEllen it`s quiet up that way ?
Nicky G:
PS just seen MaryEllen thing On here change my mind I guess I can`t go up there
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Janice:
It was a pretty nassty weekebend here.Six innocent kids were slaughtered by 4 nutcases over an x-box and some clothes. While the investigation was going on someone else robbed a grocery store!! Anyone want to buy a house? CHEAP!!
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Nicky G:
Janice after all said and done I think Nicky G will just wait a month or so and it will be great down here again and I wouldn`t have to buy that boat
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MaryEllen:
Nicky....it is quiet here and you are welcome to move up here...but I will bet that where you are is far better and nicer then this. While I dont really like Florida...it does have its good areas. Yours and marytees....and my daughter Colleen who lives in Apollo Beach. I'll take the bitter winters and the sort of hot summers...course I probably will WISH we were there in the warmth of the southern sun.
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Fred:
Janice, Could you share some of the things that TV has reported?
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FRed:
Sorry Janice, not for you but Nicky G
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marytee:
hye Janice-that was the most tragic story-no rhyme or reason to it. Can you imagine the ages of those involved? That is spitting life in the garbage can--ALL FOR AN X_BOX MACHINE AND CLOTHES??
We have been watching the news on this but the details were
so gruesome . This is not a Florida thing---this could be any where U>S>A> as the news reveals daily.
No morals here.
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Monday, August 9, 2004 09:52 Host: svcr-209-74-8-208.ppp.svcr.epix.net
Hello! I dont see Jule here...hope he isnt one of the people who left. Nick, second thoughts at all? I sure hope so.
While I am not familier with the bottle...I am with the rest of the things you all talked about. Sort of. What happened to Newark is happening everywhere. Where I now live was once a lovely place to raise a family...now its a total mess.Guess we really can "never go back"...but we sure can try!!! If more of you leave...then the rest of us will follow. RIGHT fellow Newarkers?
Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. Nope, still here. I'm here for eternity.
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Mary Ellen:
Thats great to hear Jule....I kinda like this site...I have made some pretty nice friends.!
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| Tony DiGiesi |
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Monday, August 9, 2004 03:39 Host: cache-dtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com
Hi All:
Drove down the Parkway again today the Pabst Bottle still stands. I feel like I am on the Deck of the Constitution looking to see if the Stars and Stripes at Fort Sumpter still can be seen.
Tony
Nat Bodian:
Three Steps to Saving the Bottle:
l. Have Guiness declsre it "World's Biggest Bottle"
2. Have "World's Biggedst Bottle" declared "A National Landmark"
3. Have "World's Biggest Bottle" spared the wreckers ball under "National Landmark" protection.
But then...it's all too late...and this is all a day dream.
-- Nat
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Nicky G:
Nat you got that right Dreams have to go sometime to bad but the old can`t be around for ever
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Joyce:
Nicky:
I have to disagree with you. Old Newark can be just as beautiful as we remember it, through our memories. And these memories will last forever.
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| Fred Petrozzi |
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Sunday, August 8, 2004 22:38 IP: 209-122-220-235.s235.tnt6.nywnj.ny.dialup.rcn.com
Don't sweat it Nick, I take credit for the first remarks toward that broad who complained about the bottle being a reminder of the poverty and its' influence on the "children in the neighborhood". She's more of an obstacle to peace and tranquility than the phoney poet of Newark.
CAROL "O":
NICK, WHAT FRED SAID, DITTO.
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JIm Bates:
Fred:
A reminder of "poverty" ?? To those of us who grew up in Newark, the bottle is a reminder of a Newark we were all proud of: a more prosperous Newark where people took pride in their neighborhoods. Just who is responsible for the blight which surrounds the old Pabst site ??? Don't look at me; look in the mirror, lady !
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| Nick DeBenedetto |
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Saturday, August 7, 2004 21:16 Host: cache-rf02.proxy.aol.com
Hi all,
This is an open apology to anyone I may have offended on this site with my so called racist comments. It was brought to my attention that I may have gotten out of hand.
I'm very truely sorry that I diverted from the purpose of this website, to bring Old Newarkers together and reminice about the good old times the city once knew.
I'm also sorry that some people were offended when they read the truth. I offered up my email address for any private conversations, and a few of you did email me. Not one of you complained about what I wrote. I just assumed my anger was understood.
None of you here really know me, my background, my family background and it's connection to Newark. Losing the Pabst bottle doesn't bother me as much as the adamant reason behind it being lost. That's the racist part, but it's taboo to say that.
My father was wounded in Korea so I can speak the way HE taught me to. I've been to 3 military funerals for friends, as young as 24, in the last year so I can speak freely. BUT this isn't the place to do that...and again I apoligize.
It's possible this site may have lost 3 people to my comments. I hope Glenn can persuade them to come back...and just be satisfied with losing only 1.
Thanks for the fun, I'll post again someday
Nick DeBenedetto
Joyce:
Stay with us, Nick. The love you have for Newark came to us through your comments and stories. When we see needless destruction, it angers us to a point where we just have to lash out. I'm sure we have all been there.
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rich:
Nick, You've committed no crime in my book. Your contributions to this site greatly outnumber any remarks made passionately about current events in Newark and your unacceptance of their outcome.I stand shoulder to shoulder with you.
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Mary:
I hope you will reconsider and continue being a guestbook regular. I have enjoyed your comments, stories and photos.
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jack k:
Hi Nick De,
We all have to stand tall and speak the truth even when it hurts. Don't give in to those real bigots.
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Bill Russo:
Hello Nick........I know what you meant by saying what you did..........it was not racist, but truthful. You are correct, what once were nice areas, are now blighted areas. Same homes, same everything, Different neighborhood pride, is what makes it a blight. The excuse of being poor, never quite cut it with me. You can be poor and not be filthy or destructive. And yet, The proof of what you said it right there on South Orange Avenue. Different times, Different values, Different world.
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ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
NICK--I AM BEHIND YOU 100%--DAN DEL BAGNO
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Joey George:
Nick,
I understand your anger and I hope you continue to post. You contributions here have been awesome!
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Bob Jeffery:
Nick et al: Seldom contribute but am a daily reader and must give you high marks for telling it like it is which few do in this PC World. I found out "long ago" after delivering mail in Newark/East Orange that this area is no longer to be called "home" and as with the destruction of the Cemetries sooner rather than later all of our history will be replaced i.e. Street names for example. Was born on Central Av & High Street, oops it is now MLK Blbd and who knows what Central Ave will become. I hung in 'til recently but now live quite peacefully in rural Hunterdon County. Best to all!
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Mary Ellen:
Hi Nick...dont go! You said what you thought. We all did. If people left I'm sorry, but there are many of us who speak our minds and rightfully so. Please reconsider and stay with us! PLEASE!!!
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Barb L. Rothschild:
Dear Nick:
Kudos to you, Nick, and God Bless. You can believe me when I say you have more supporters than detractors....I'm sure the majority of Old Newarkers appreciate your truthfulness and agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly! "Keep on Trucking!"
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frank wells:
Nick. I thought you may have been on vacation. Sure missed your posts, they cover the whole history of newark. If anyone was offended by the truth--too bad, last time I looked this is still america, where freedom of speech is guaranteed.and also with liberty and justice for ALL!
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Tony DiGiesi:
Hey Nick:
I am sure you did not mean to condemn everyone. Just your frustration at the turn of events. Newark and all of us who lived there definatly suffered for whatever reason. And apparently the wound has not yet healed after all these years.
Tony
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Friday, August 6, 2004 21:36 IP: 17.piscataway-15rh16rt-16rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net
Tony,
Send me the photos and I will add them to the West Side High School, Class of June 1954 web site. The site address is:
http://www.garagedoor-repairs.com/wsreunion.html :-)
Tony Digiesi:
Ok Dom will scan and send the Photos vie e-mail is that the best way to do it?
Tony
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Friday, August 6, 2004 16:05 Host: dialup-4.247.128.113.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net
Janice going back to #819 about selling you my car I sorry so guy I think his name was Tom Called me and said I want you know my wife doesn`t ride in Buick I buy her Lexus BMW I don`t want her rideing in cheap cars so I`m sorry my friend I didn`t know you were big time
Janice:
Nicky; I am anything but the big time. I drive a '83 Buick. I'd love a Lexus, but can't get any closer to them than on t.v.Have a ggreat day my friend!
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HOFFMAN/PABST BOTTLE:
Destruction of the bottling plant (the east building with the bottle on top) is slated to begin on Monday.
The west building (brewery) hasn't been cleaned up yet so that it can be demolished.
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Friday, August 6, 2004 12:51 Host: cache-dtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com
HOFFMAN/PABST BOTTLE
There is a story in today's Star Ledger about the planned demolition of the Bottle. The developers said that it will cost about $200,000 to lower it to the ground. They will be getting a $33 million government grant (TAX PAYER MONEY) to tear down the present buildings and buld the new ones. The $200,000 would be a drop in the bucket out of the $33 million. The difference between the developers here in Newark for the past 30 years or so and the owners who actually put up the buildings and other infracture in Newark back in the 1800's and most of the 1900's is that those older owners used their own money to do the constructin while the developers today do not use their own money but use taxpayer money in the form of government grants.
I'd like to see all of you send a letter to the Mayor and to the Star Ledger to express your feelings about the continual destruction of Newark's historical artifacts.
You can send an e-mail "Letter To The Editor" at: eletters@starledger.com
And the address for the mayor is: The Honorable Sharpe James, City Hall, 920 Broad Street, Newark, NJ 07102
And let them know that you are outraged by this ongoing destruction of Newark's history - a history that you were part of.
NICK DEBENEDETTO:
Hi Jule,
The idiots that came up with the $200,000 amount evidentally have another motive. I'm in construction and I estimate the bottle could be brought to the ground for around $65,000...and that may even be high. If you got the bottle donated to the historical society, or a similar orginization you could probably get most of the labor and such donated. Look what was done to save Tillie in Asbury Park...people who got together because they loved the icons, had them removed, and it didn't cost anything. I really think we were shafted.
When that moronic woman mentioned the site as being a blight, she was absolutely right. 40 years ago it was a booming bustling brewery, then, the blight moved into the neighborhood. The element that destroyed our city are the actual blight
It wouldn't surprise me if we found out that Mayor-For-Life Sharpe James and this other idiot woman have scrap rites to the bottle.
I better stop now before I start getting bad and say something that every one knows, but are afraid to say here....email me and I'll say it to you, and I surely hope that Mayor or this other imbecil read this and email me...try it!
NICK DEBENEDETTO
PD4103@AOL.COM
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rich:
Jule & Nick, I read that article in the Ledger and felt pure disgust for the utter lack of respect for landmark objects in Newark which will be cast to the scrapyard because of their lack of significance to the majority of Newark's residents today.Maybe every reference to Robert Treat and the founders of Newark will someday be cast aside as insignificant to future Newarkers. Here is the url for the article for all to cut & paste in their browsers to read.
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/base/news-5/109178279768160.xml
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick. I'm at work right now and can't think of her name but you are right - I'm sure that she is the one behind the bottle not being saved. She talked about the blighted area in the original article in the Star Ledger months ago and she mentioned it again today. She is the president of the local neighborhood ass'n in that area. I had sent another woman who is also a member of that same assn all of my letters to the mayor etc and this woman was in favor of saving it. She lives there on Gladstone Ave. I'm sure that she was voted down at their meetings. I'll mention their names when I get home from work later tonight.
I think that you should also send a Letter To The Editor and to the Mayor and express your feelings and mention the lower amount that you think the bottle could have been saved with.
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick. The name of the woman who is president of the block association, and who is so against saving the bottle, is Robin Lateef-Ashanti. The other woman on the neighborhood association whom I've spoken with several times, and who wanted to save the bottle, is Louise Dancy. She has lived on Gladstone Ave ever since the mid 1960's. Lateef-Ashanti's original comment about the brewery in the Star Ledger back in February was "It's an eyesore, a bad tooth that needs to be removed." Yesterday, when others were speaking favorably of the history of the bottle she said: "It can go" when speaking of the bottle.
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Mary:
I remember the Pabst name, but I don't remember the bottle. I must have been too young.
It has been many years since I lived in Newark and I am just now remembering places and streets when I read all the guestbook info. Many of the landmarks are vaguely familiar, but not this one.
I do admire all of you, and your efforts to save old Newark. Perhaps the new generation has no connection and therefore no concern?
Why has the building been vacant for so long? Someone must have been paying taxes on it or the property. It seems like the property has financial possibilities for someone, and we all know vacant buildings bring in no income-----money must be talking?
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Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Jule,
About her "it can go" comment, trust me if I run into her, I'll make it clear that she can go, then I'll tell where. Don't believe me? Set up the meeting and let me know where and when. I may be only a little guy, but I'm not afraid of anyone.
Mary..I don't know how old you are, but the bottle was erected in 1930. I've been up on it and it's as sound as I am...well, hold that thought!
Pabst probably would have stayed in Newark, if they could have relocated. That would have been a huge undertaking. They were on a downhill slide and started closing brewerys. Peoria, Ill. was first in 1982, then Newark in 1983 & 1985.
I recently ran into a fellow who retired from Pabst when they closed. He started there when he came home from overseas when WW-2 ended and, like most of the older generation, worked the same job, in a factory setting, for over 40 years. He told me when he was on the night shift he can remember the animals (his words) walking into the yard, opening the trucks and stealing whatever they could. This was in plain sight of the employees who were told not to get involved...just let them go. (this is how we lost the city in the first place) They would sometimes walk up to the loading dock and just pick up a case of beer and WALK not run away. They also stole anything they thought they could scrap. The area got so bad that they started knowing the names of these animals as they were there as much as the employees! To them, stealing was THEIR job! Someone had to do it. He said Pabst tried to service the area, making monitary donations locally or supplying beer for local functions. The more Pabst gave, the more the animals took. The loss was just too much and Pabst figured they were in enough trouble so they cut their losses.
Just so there's no backlash...the guy who told me this still lives on Richlieu Terrace, and is very much black. He's older, and extremely plesant...and very upset about the bottle being lost.
Pabst owned the building and used it for storage until 1985. They retained ownership, but sold the equipment to an overseas brewery. The city took the building over and are the ones who let in fall in disrepair. Almost like they had it all planned out...
Ramblin' Nick
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Mary:
Note for Nick:
Thank you for the Pabst history. I knew you were good at explaining things. That must be a trait you inherited from a relative with the same last name?
It's great that so many are committed to saving the area's history.
The Pabst story is sad, and I don't even remember the bottle, but it's still history and that should mean something to somebody.
If the city has had control over the situation for years now, you wonder why it was not a priority?
There is also less commotion if plans are revealed to the public at the last minute, giving no time to reverse decisions.
Again, I think money is a big factor in what people do, and who benefits.
Just look at some of the CEO's in the news recently.
Thanks again for the info.
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Bob Certo:
I know about the bottle and I am not from Newark and I am in my early 30's. My whole family is from Newark and sold Hoffman soda in there candy store. The whole complex was Hoffman soda first before Pabst. You can see it from the Parkway.
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Hi Glenn:
I have some pictures of West Side H.S. 50th reunion I would like to post but they are much larger than the 100k allowed how can I send them to you for posting and shrink the size.
Regards
Tony
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Friday, August 6, 2004 09:24 IP: 12.41.10.124
Sorry to hear the bottle can't be saved. On a recent visit I was impressed by all of the development and improvements on the riverfront.
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HOFFMAN/PABST BOTTLE
When I got home from work a little while ago around 12:30am there was a message on my machine from Jeffery Mays, a reporter for the Star Ledger, asking for a comment from me. Seems like they will be tearing down the Hoffman/Pabst buldings, including the bottle, later today, Friday, August 6th, 2004.
Looks like the letters I sent to the Star Ledger, the Mayor, the Council Members, Newark Preservation and Landmarks Committee, and the neighborhood association up in that area, fell on deaf ears. The Mayor and Councilwoman Bessie Walker came back to me with letters saying that they agreed with me that the bottle should be saved, and even one of the new owners of the property, Gregory Comito, said that they would try to save it, but all came to nothing. Actions speak louder than words and in this case no action was taken. I really don't think that anyone seriously tried to save it. Like other historic artifacts here in Newark over the past forty or so years many people here today say "it's not part of my history" and that's the end of it.
If nothing else, Nick DeBenedetto and I, go into the property and buildings several weeks ago and took some pretty good final photo's. Glenn has already posted some of them and there will be more to follow.
It will be interesting to see the comments in the Star Ledger in the coming days. I'll let you know what is said.
Tony Digiesi:
Hi Jule:
Sorry to hear all your work did not pay off. Money must have had something to do with the decision or it got to be a problem for the Owners.
I just took a trip to Atlantic City so I had a view of the Bottle from the Parkway one last time...... too bad another Part of our Beloved Newark is being distroyed. Thank you for your efforts it was not to be as the Rape of Newark continues. We all will always have the good times to remember.
To me Newark is what I remember it to be growing up and it will always remain that way. I can always go back there again in my mind and heart.
Tony D.
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Janice:
I'm gonna miss that bottle. Always looked for it on my trips to the area.
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Joey George:
Nothing but bad news these days. I don't doubt some people in the administration tried to save the bottle but they didn't try to save it with the PASSION that former Newarkers (and present Newarkers, like Jule)have for Newark's history. I guess the bottom line is - where does one put the bottle? This is waaaay to late of a thought but I think that maybe the Parkway Authority may have been able to find a home for the bottle. The bottle is/was not only a Newark landmark, it was a Garden State Parkway landmark too. Oh well.
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PETER GRIMM
Hello Joan. Peter has not been on line here form many, many months. Last we heard from him I think he said he was somewhere over in China at that time.
Peter, if you read this, let us know where, and how you are.
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Hi All;
Don't forget about the Chock Full of Nut that was on Broad Street between Raymond Blvd. and Commerce street. Remember the sandwiches they served. Sure were good and don't forget the Date Nut cake. All of this is long gone .
Joanne Urna Murphy:
I used to catch the #10 Hillside bus right outside Chock Full O Nuts. Everyone would go inside to stay out of the weather and have coffee. The bus driver would stop at the empty corner and we wouldall pile out onto the bus.
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Mary Ellen:
Hi charlie...thats the one I was referring to in an earlier post. At least I think it was...the doughnuts were so good . I use to go there with my grandmother, couldnt have coffee but I did drink milk. It was much differetn then the donut shops of today! TGIF!
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Thanks Jule, for your story of Fr Judge. You indeed are a man of many faces. What a wealth of information you have and the memories you share with all of us is astounding.
Did you ever think of writing a book? With all you know and all you have been through...it would be a best seller right away! Its a thought Jule. Thank you again!
Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. I've had an interesting life so far, thank God. Over the years several others have asked me to write a book but I don't think I'll ever do it. Who knows, perhaps when I grow up.
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Mary:
Note for Jule,
I really don't know you but I've been reading all your comments and recollections on this site. You seem so knowledeable in so many areas. And it seems like you enjoy sharing your stories. There is a collection of them here in the Guestbook!
Even if you're not sure about writing a whole book, perhaps you could just write short stories in a notebook, and before you realize it, the notebook is full and it becomes a collection that could become a book.
Apparently, Bill Clinton wrote his current book by filling up 22 notebooks. I'm sure your life is just as interesting, and probably more regular folks could relate and enjoy what you write.
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Jule Spohn:
If I ever do decide to write "My life's story" I know that at least I can sell two books right away to you guys. With a cheering squad like you how could I go wrong.
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Mary Ellen:
Jule, see...I'm not the only one here who thinks the same thing. Just remember us when your rich and famous!~ Go Jule!!!!
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Janice where Marytee haven`t seen her around maybe she away anyway do I have a deal for you because your my friend
I got my car a 2003 buick for sale for you going out and buying a boat so I could get around here a little better or I`m going to have to move near you and you don`t want me up there
Nicky G:
PS if yuor looking for me you know where I`m at this time of the day over with Manny and the guys
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Janice:
Hi Nicky, Now that you mention it--she has been mia. Come on and sell that car an move to beautiful Volusia county. Plenty of room fo more ex jersites!!
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This is for you DownNeckers. Does anyone remember the AMVETS building on Walnut Street between Jefferson and Pacific Streets. My parent had their wedding reception there. I think is was closed by the late 60's. I could be wrong
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Hello world... I'm writing to see if anyone out there can tell me what happened to the house in the corner of 6th and Park? I used to live there as a child when my father was killed in a bar argument... I just visited the place only to find that there is a Laundrymat there! there is also a Burger King at the corner which back then was something else? can remember what? this was back in the 70s :confused:
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I did include my E-mail address
when I signed the book.Anyway
here it is-( ND-JimHennessey@
webtv.net).
ThanK You-Good Luck
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Good Morning Newarkers,
I am sending the following letter to Ms. Goldstein.
August 4,2004
Newark Public Information Office
City Hall - Room 214
920 Broad Street
Newark, NJ - 07102
Att: Pamela E. Goldstein-Director
My Dear Ms Goldstein
I would expect you to make some corrections to "Notables from Newark"-past ans present.
Archie Callahan was not the only Newarker killed in the Japanese attack on the Hawaii on December 7, 1941.
Three others Newark citizens made the "Supreme Sacrifice" on that date,they are
Louise Schleifer-Army Air Corp-Hickham Field.
Nicolas Runick-Us Navy-USS Arizona-Pearl Harbor.
Raymond Kerrigan-US Navy-USS Vestal-Pearl Harbor.
Also in Professional Athletes how about adding.
Eugene"Gene" Hermanski graduated East Side High School and who played in the Major Leagues for twelve seasons, mostly with the Brooklyn Dodgers.
I'm looking forward to seeing these corrections.
Sincerely yours,
(Sig)
John C. Keegan
3611 Glenn Curtis Crescent
East Meadow,NY - 11554
Manny:
I'm elated you're taking care of this, Jack. I found the sole listing of Archie Callahan offensive to the memory of Newark's other Pearl Harbor heroes, along with being somewhat racist.
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jack k:
Thank you Manny,
I'm with you on this racist bit.
I just hope that my message gets through.
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Manny:
Along this same line, Jack, is the listing of James Baxter as an educator, but no listing of John Barringer.
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Manny:
Correction on Barringer's first name. It was William.
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Jack. Nice letter. Let's see what happens.
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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 09:05 IP: 164.51.78.15
Another diner bites the dust. I hear the Short-Stop (in Bloomfield) is going to be a dunkin donuts. I loved that place,mainly cause my step dad was a cook there and it was a nice stop on the way to Girl's voc. in Newark.zzgirl
Joan:
Hi Janice,
Yes its in todays Ledger. Essex County section. "RESIDENTS AND DELI OWNERS PROTEST NEW USE FOR BLOOMFIELD LANDMARK". Every where they can put a Dunkin Donuts they put one. I don't and never liked Dunkin Donuts. They all taste the same. Now, I have a Dunkin Donuts on my corner. I read an obit Charles Blind died. I think this was Arlene's uncle.
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Janice:
Hi Joan, Yes I also saw the obit and it was her Uncle Robert who passed. Charlie and Blanche are her parents.Its a real shame about the short stop also.
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Mary Ellen:
HI Janice. I remember the Short Stop well...it is a nice place.Altho I havent been there in a very long time, I can still see it in my minds eye.Dunkin Donuts isnt and never will like Chock Full of Nuts was when it first came out. I dont know if was the first of its kind but the coffee and doughnuts were delicious! Do you remember the one in dowtown Newark? I cant remember if it was on Broad St or a side st...but it was so good.This was in the early to mid 50s.
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Manny:
I wish there was a Dunkin' Donuts in Tulsa. This is the only major city I know of that doesn't have one. Oklahoma City, about 100 miles away, has a half-dozen of them. There's a Krispy Kreme in Tulsa, but I don't like those doughnuts.
In the meantime, my condolences on the diner. I have never been to the Short Stop, but I'm one of those people that happen to believe that diners are a part of Americana that need to be preserved.
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Janice:
Mary Ellen, I believe Chock was on the street that ran up to the courthouse and it was just a few doors down from Orbachs. Boy was that a shopping trip, hitting Bams,Orbachs, Hahnes,Kleins and Kresge's. Not to mention all the little stores in between!And only35 cents to ride the #144 down from W.O., shopping all day and then meeting Dad for dinner. Sure do miss those days!!
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Jule Spohn:
Hello everyone. I used to go to that Chock Full O Nuts by Orbachs for coffee and the best Whole Wheat Donuts I ever had. Sure miss them. Dunkin Donuts is OK, but I always liked Chock Full O Nuts better.
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Joey George:
Jule...I liked Chock Full of Nuts better too
Manny...Don't like Krispy Kremes, huh? I agree...I loved them when they first came out. Now that i've had a few...just like Dunkin Donuts. You're not missing anything, except the coffee.
As to the Short Stop: Its getting to where nothing remains forever.
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Joan:
Jule,
What ever happened to Peter Grimm?
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Barb L. Rothschild:
Barb L. Rothschild
Hi, Janice: Nice to recall the old Chock Full O' Nuts coffee shop. It's exact location was on Market Street, right next door to the A. S. Beck Shoe Store and the Kitty Kelly Shoe Store. I recall it exactly, because my late step-brother was the manager for many years of the Kitty Kelly Shoe Store. On many occasion, he sent me "next door", to buy and bring back some coffee and donuts for him and for some of his employees as well. I still can recall sitting at that counter inhaling that delicious scent of fresh brewed coffee, while waiting for my order to be prepared, to take back to Kitty Kelly two doors away. And the flavor of those glazed donuts!.....nothing like it, not Dunkin'Donuts, not Krispy Kremes, not any can compare! Also, at some point in time, I recall there was some type of connection between Chock Full O'Nuts and Joe Di Maggio? Did he become a spokesman for the company, or did he eventually buy the company? Does any one recall the connection? Perhaps it came after Chock Full O'Nuts went "public", and one could now buy the coffee in one's local supermarket...I can't recall, does anyone??????
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Jim T:
There are no Dunkin Donuts in Northern California, maybe none in Southern California.
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Tuesday, August 3, 2004 18:04 IP: 35.113.254.64.virtela.com
Walking in Newark today, there are far more barricades than I realized. In addition to block containing the main Prudential Building on Broad Street, the building behind that one between Halsey and Washington and the one on the next block between Washington and University are also blocked off (all between Academy and Clinton?). Also, in the morning, they barricade a building on Raymond Blvd. between McCarter Hwy and Mulberry Street, reducing Raymond Blvd. to a one way streey for that stretch. Want to get into a good start-up business? I hear making barricades that are easier on the eyes is a booming business right now.
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Please enter my E-Mail addess.
Barb:
Hi Jim,
When you sign in on guests book. You have to enter your email. Then you will see another icon next to the pencil and the paper:)
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Very nice web-site,enjoyed the visit.Two of my buddies came
from Newark.They were killed
in action in Dec.1944.
Frank Collatto-Ernest Deubel.
I think of them often.
WW2-Vet-Co.E-345th-Regt-87th
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Jim. Welcome to oldnewark.com. Come back and check us out often.
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rich:
Jim, My Newark roots were planted by my Bayonne born and raised Mother,Claire(Zimmer) Olohan.Welcome to OldNewark!
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SETTING UP THE PRUDENTIAL BUILDIDNG
It was amazing to read in yesterday's and today's Newark Star Ledger the amount of survelance that Al Qaeda had done on the Prudential Building here in Newark. They knew that "14 pedestrians per minute" were walking along the outside of the building on Broad Street at midweek. They knew the locations of security checkpoints insige buildings, and knew what days thre were fewer guards on duty, and when elevators were shut down. Government officials said on Sunday that one of the things they had learned was the al Qaeda had suggested terrorists could sit in the window seats of coffee shops nearby targeted buildings to conduct reconnaissance. There is a fairly new (within the past two years) Starbucks Coffee Shop over in the National Newark & Essex Bank building which is directly across the street from the Pru. "It's tough to distinguish people there", said one unidentified police officer. "It is open to the public. They don't seem to mind if you sit down and read a book."
It is my feeling that in this time of national emergency, when we know that there are people from the Middle-East who are already here in this country who want to kill Americans, and what we stand for, that our government leaders, from the President, the Senate, and the Congress, on down, should do what the politicians had the COURAGE to do back in the 1940's when they rounded up some of the Japanese, Germans, and Italians, and placed them in camps until the government got a handle on what the threat level was to the American people. Today, we know for sure that there are al Qaeda operatives already in this country, even though Senior intelligence officials said on Sunday that they "do not have al Qaeda cells under survelliance in this country." I sent President Bush, VP Chaney, Tom Ridge, the Heads of the FBI and the CIA, and the two Senators and my Congressman from New Jersey a letter stating my convictions several months ago. The only one who respoded back to me was Vice Pesident Channey. They all know what should be done today, but none of our Politicians today have the political COURAGE to do what is needed to fully protect the American people. They will keep beating around the bush till we are once again hit hard and will then say "We didn't expect them to do that - what ever "that" might be. Your old hometown of Newark is a sitting duck just waiting for the next big hit from the terrorists.
Phil Lynch:
Jule,
You can blame the ACLU and other "rights" organizations for protecting our enemies. What will it take to awake the sleeping Giant again?
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Phil. You are absolutely right. The murderer's, rapists, terrorists, et. al. have more rights than do the hard working, peaceful, caring, citizens of this country. I blame almost every politician for the past 40 or so years for selling this country down the drain. What happened here in Newark for the past 40 or so years is a perfect example of what I mean. Lawyers, judges, politicians, and so-called civil rights groups helped to tear this country apart and opened the doors for the terrorists to have a free hand to do what they have done, and what they are in the process of doing, to this country. Even today, none of our politicians have the political will power, or the courage, to do what is right to protect this country the way it should be protected.
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Danny B.:
I took a walk at lunch time from my office at 33 Washington St. Hopefully there will be no attacks in Newark, but no matter, the terrorists have still won a small battle. Did I feel any safer, what with cops everywhere, some dressed in black and carrying assault machine guns? Do all of the barriers, far beyond what is being reported, assuage my fears? Not in the least. Seeing this makes me know my America is no more. I don't blame Bush, I don't blame Clinton, heck I don't blame the ACLU. These problems roots are in the Middle East, where people living in povery and illiteracy are easy targets for recruitment for those who hate, and use religion as a come-on.
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Danny B. You are absolutly right about the problems being in the Middle East. That is where they belong - not here in America. It was the politicians who changed the immigrations laws back in the early/mid sixties and cut back tremendously on the percentages of people who came from Europe, where the majority of the Americans came from, and greatly increased those percentages for those from Asia, Africa, Latin America, and other Third World country's. We brought these problems on ourselves. For two centuries America was safe - we had the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans on our flanks and we had Canada and Mexico on our northern and southern boarders. We were safe at home with the immigrants coming from Europe. All that chanaged in the sixties and America will never be safe again.
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Phil Lynch:
I also agree with Danny B. about ignorance and other cultural factors overseas that affect the world. But its here at home and the politically correct crowd that gets on my nerves. I predict that one of these days the Real Americans are just going to get sick and tired of this situation and rise up.
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Tony DiGiesi:
Jule:
You took the words right out of my mouth. I just said that unfortunatly Muslims should be segregated from Society as the bad ones use the other peacefull Muslims for cover and since we can't tell who is who... seperate all of them. And sort it all out again.
I don't enjoy being called an Infidel and fair game.I don't dance in the street when anyone is killed. I never called Islam a bad name all my life.
There seems no other way.The risks are too high.The Liberals like Kennedy will always scream but tough, 9-11 was the wake up call. I hope we all heard it.My appoligies to all the peacefull Muslims living here but they can blame their countrymen for the problem.Not us,
Tony
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Frank Harrison:
While we're at it, let's just throw out the Constitution altogether. You are talking about martial law, and the installation of Judaeo-Christianism as state religion.
Fear and ignorance fuel and fulfill terrorism. Sorry for the harsh words, but for the moment this is an America of free speech.
Ground Zero was my neigborhood and I miss many lost friends, but I'm unwilling to give up rights for myself or others.
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Andrew Keegan:
We live in dangerous times, and I hope our leaders pursue al Qaeda with ruthless intensity, at home and abroad. But after reading these posts, I feel obligated to add just a few words of support for Danny B. and Frank Harrison.
It is, and I pray it will remain, unconstitutional to lock up people on the grounds of their national origin or religion; America was never designed to accept only those of European ancestry; and the idea that America was "safe" until the hordes arrived from Asia, Africa, and the mid-East is, to put it mildly, a matter of perspective--just ask the American Indians who were subjected to genocidal policies by European settlers(BTW, to bring the topic back to home, talked to any Lenni Lenape Indians lately?), or the African Americans who came here in chains and were still being lynched at alarming rates until roughly 70 years ago.
America is a living experiment;it has been severely challenged in the past (by even greater and more powerful foes--for example, the fascists--than those it faces today), and it has prevailed. It will survive this threat too, if we all keep our eye on the prize.
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Mary Ellen:
Such eloquint responses. Just the fact that you can say what you feel is what this country is all about.
Jule, Danny B, Mr. Harrison and Mr.Keegan. , whos words touched me, "ground zero was my neighorhood, I lost many friends there", are very sad words . God love us all...and keep us in His Care! We need it!
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Julel Spohn:
Ground Zero was also my grounds. I was working on Wall Street before they tore down the old buildings to build the Twin Towers. I was on one of the first PATH trains to come into the building on the first day they ran. I was a member of the club on the top before it was open to the public. I lived just four or five blocks up along the West Side Highway and used to walk to my office from 1976 to 1984. The first person to be pronounced dead on that terrible day, Father Michael Judge, was a close friend of my for over 20 years prior to his untimly death. Several of the men I worked with at Merrill Lynch died that day also. For what. Just because these Islamist militants hate America and Americans. They are only sorry that they did not kill 30,000 instead of 3,000 and if they have their was they will indeed kill 30,000. I have no regreats or remorse when I say that we should round them up, kick them out of the country, or put them in camps until we "Americans" get a handle on this situation. As you can tell, I am not a bleeding heart liberal. When the Constitution, or any other law, stops working for Americans, then Americans, have the right to change it.
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Jule Spohn:
As far as the words "fear and ignorance" go, yes indeed Americans feel fear from these militant extreamist terrorists. Ignorance is a poor choice of words to use. The World Trade Center was attacked twice, the USS Cole was attacked, several hundreds of Marines were killed in their barracks in Beruit, American Embassy's have been attacked, American's have been beheaded in Iraq by these terrorists. This is not "ignorance" - these are FACTS. Wake up people and take a close look around you and see what is going on to Americans, just because we are AMERICANS. We do not need these people in our midst. You cannot tell the good from the bad and the American people should not have to try to figure them out. We are at WAR in case anyone forgets about it - and we have enemies in our midst - right here on American soil.
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Frank Harrison:
We are debating important public issues, and thank God we have the ability to do so.
Jule, you and others as well as me, all know people who have perished in the atrocities aimed at Lower Manhattan. I too was in the WTC the day of the 1993 attack, and I am thankful that God and a speed-walking colleague led me to safety.
My choice of the word “ignorance” may be overly-harsh, but our leaders must force us to take a long-range macro-look at the way we are perceived in the world; not just by our would-be Enemies but also our once-were Allies. Our society's example is our strength.
I try my best not to simplify other’s strongly held views, and appreciate a tolerance of my views not as merely being “politically correct."
Let’s hope that the airing of issues in the the open somehow leads to a peaceful consensus.
Patriots disagreed about WWII threats, with many Republicans fighting against FDR’s arming of America. Their beliefs were sincere, though misguided in my opinion. The world has grown more complex since then, and solutions more illusive. We survived WWII, we will survive Islamic-based terrorism. Unity is not a lock-step belief in one God's vision, but a universal belief of justice, humanity and equality.
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Phil Lynch:
Nicely said Frank but unfortunately not all the peoples on Earth want to sit down and talk for a peaceful solution. I am by no means a war mongerer nor intolerant but as history has shown some cultures only know the way of the sword to settle disputes. And although I don't want to see a World War 3 or any more bloodshed we cannot just sit back and not react to threats to our nation.
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Mary Ellen:
Hi Jule, I just read what you had to say..and I am truly sorry that you went through what you did on that fatefull day...9-11. Was Fr. Judge the one who was carried out by the firefighters, it was in all the papers? I can see his face, it was a picture in my mind that I will never forget.
Jule, I didnt know you were there at that time. I can only imagine what you saw and how you feel about it all.Its obvious why you feel the way you do.In fact you were the topic of conversation at my breakfast table this morning.You and my husband see things basically the same way. Your a very smart guy, what you always have to say is to the point and you dont mince words. Some agree with you...others dont. But this is why we are still a free nation and hopefully will stay that way.You are so right tho, in my opinion, we cant keep our heads in the sand and not take charge or we will be lost!
Thanks Jule and everyone for your views on our American way of life....lets hope and pray we can always say what we want to say and not be punished for it.
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Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated. Yes, it is a shame that everyone in the whole world doesn't agree with me. If they did the world would be a wonderful place. LOL!!
Yes, that photo you saw in the newspapers is that of Father Mychael Judge. I first met him back in the early 1980's. He was really such a wonderful human being. He saw good in everybody. Came from a good old-fashioned Irish background and had the gift of gab. Never had a bad word to say about anybody or anything. He loved being the Chaplain to the Fire Dept and died just where he was happiest - in the midst of trouble and with him men. I almost fell over when that photo of the police and firemen carring his body out of the rubble in a chair. A great loss to his friends, fellow-priests, firemen, and other people in general. When my closest friend died back in 1986 Father Mychael Judge came to the funeral home and said some prayers the night before the burial. There were many times over the years I had dinner or lunch with him. There were many years when he said the Christmas Eve Mass for a group of friends. What I remember most of that Mass was that he always brought along a Baby Jesus doll which was wrapped in beautiful clothing and he kept it on the altar during Mass and then held it in his arms during his homily about the birth of Christ. I've often wondered what happened to that doll. The Archbishop of New York had his Fire Dept Chaplain helmet given to the Pope in memory of him.
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Tuesday, August 3, 2004 11:51 IP: 164.51.78.15
Does anyone up there recall a 'gin mill' by Main and Kossuth named something like 'The Ranch'. It seems that my husbanad and his sister spent a lot of time there in the late 50's early 60's. I barely recall it as I was so young at the time (right!) :confused: :D :D
Nicky G:
Janice my friend what I like to know is where is Main and Kossuth
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Janice:
My friend... Its down neck past Marne St and I believe also below Krugs. I also think there is/was a meat packing plant nearby.
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rich:
Janice, that would be the "101 Ranch" on Kossuth St. between Magazine St. and St. Charles St.
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Ron Hayes:
Hey Rich you really know your DN bars the 101 Ranch was one of my favorite hangouts good people and plenty of laughs.they had a hall in the back where we had our softball parties,right on the corner of Main and Kossuth Sts.
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Jule Spohn:
From the 1961 phone book:
One-O-One Ranch Tavern, 130 Main Street. Ph # MArket 2-9835
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Janice:
Yhat's the one! Thanks, for a while I thought my memory was playing tricks again.
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Nicky G:
Janice my friend I was nice guy when I was young that why I didn`t know it
That time I study not out Like Keansburg Kid or Rich
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Janice:
Nicky, I was a sweet young thing then. Notice I said my husbandand his sister hung out there, not me. I never saw a bar until I was almost 19. Very sheltered life:)
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Barb:
Janice,
101 Ranch, also had a hall went to many special occassions there.
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rich:
Ron, Not many bars that I did not frequent Down Neck!I did my bar hopping starting in the 70s.
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Ron Hayes:
Well rich just so you know I took care of the fifties and sixties at the Down Neck bars.I don't think I missed many.
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vinnie spagnola:
yes that was the name phil pecorra owned it it was around the corner from synthetic plastic comp. it is part of a bakery,and plastic comp is being torn down for houses.
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Newarkers....we need your memories! Bette Blum and Rich Weissman (our parents grew up in Newark!) are writing a book on Bradley Beach from the 1940's through the current day. We are looking for recollections, essays, poems, and pictures. No contribution is too small. Please contact us at bradleybeach@comcast.net for more information. Thanks.
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