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Nicky G 
Location:
Bradenton FL
Tuesday, August 10, 2004 17:30 Host: dialup-4.247.251.181.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Question
This might bE for the older Old Newarkers down at the sons of Italy last night we were talking now on Clinton ave I say up from the Eliz circle there was a bar or club even Jackie Glesson play there now I said the name was the Torch club and say it was the Flame this would be back in the late 30`s or 40`s anybody remember the place

MARYTEE MY FRIEND WHERE HAVE BEEN

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nicky. I looked through the city directories I have for the 30's, 40's, and 50's for the Torch Club and or the Flame and don't see either. Perhaps there was another name before either name, like Billy's Flame or Sam's Torch Club etc. Think a little harder.

Nicky G:
Thank you Jules that`s the name we thought it was maybe Seymoru Nat he lived in the genral area one time

EMACPHEE@HESS.COM:
I BELEIVE IT WAS THE MIAMI CLUB.JACKIE GLEASON HAD AN ALTERCATION WITH ONE OF THE PATRONS(TONY GALENTO)HE DID NOT FARE WELL AT ALL

Sandy C.:
Nick:

Try the Blue mirror. It operated late thirties and into the Forties. It was still there when I left Newark in the summer of '47. Jack E. leonard and other Headliners played there.

Nicky G:
Thank you Miami club maybe jules could find it the year wasjules was 1935

Nicky g:
Thank you to the person that said Miami club that was it just found he was MC there for two years

Jule Spohn:
Hello Everyone. I'm at work right now. When I get home tonight I'll check my 1936 City Directory and see what I can find.
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Caroline Grossmann 
Location:
Morris Plains
Monday, August 9, 2004 22:55 Host: ool-4350a0d6.dyn.optonline.net

Hi Everyone,
Well, I got to my shopping trip on Ferry St. and also drove around Newark to see if old sights are still there.
The shopping was good but it was only window shopping. I remembered a fabric store that I particularly wanted to go to. It no longer exists. Ferry St. basically is the same as ever and includes some very nice stores, especially for children's clothing (very good quality - better than anything at the malls) and gift shops. I didn't have lunch there but couldn't resist coffee and pastry at one of the bakeries.
On my ride around town I discovered that the apartment house my father once lived in on West Bigelow St. along with a lot of other buildings has been replaced by a beautiful sports field for Malcolm X. Shabazz High School. It's really first class and includes a track and football field with bleachers.
My church on the corner of Avon Ave. and So. 17th St. has lost its steeple and generally seems in disrepair. So. 17th St. between Avon and Springfield is a mess. My old apartment on the corner of Avon and So. 13th has been torn down. The Madison Ave. area still seems nice.
I noticed that Temple Sheba is still on Springfield Ave. I'm not sure what it is, whether a house of worship or a bar. Can't tell from the outside. It is located in the old Schwaben Halle near So. 12th St.
Coming up from the Ironbound I went up William St. The police had it blocked off at Washington St. probably to protect the telephone building from possible terrorist activity. Imagine the problems we would have if that building went. My brother worked there for many years and I know from him that it handles calls for the entire NY metropolitan area. Once when there was a problem with only one of their lines Wall Street's phones were knocked out.
:rolleyes:

Barb L. Rothschild:
Dear Caroline:
I think you might be referring to the truck mounted amusement rides that seemed to come around once a week, during the summertimes, to your local neighborhood. Usually the "Good Humor" ice cream truck was not too far behind those rides! I can specifically recall the carousel and a ride which was called "The Whip," which would be a series of two seated aluminum-type seats, with a safety rollbar, which came down to protect the riding child. The seats were lined up and would proceed slowly on a track. When the seats came to a corner turn, suddenly the ride would "speed up"...hence the name of "The Whip", since it was intended to produce a "whiplike" action on the turns of those corners. It was a lot of fun, and as a child, you were "brave" to go on this ride, since it was not considered as "mild" a ride as the carousel was!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. Seems like you had a pretty good trip to Newark. Like you say, some of the areas are still pretty nice while others are still a disaster.

Caroline:
Hi Jule,
Yes, it was a good trip eventhough the fabric shop is gone. I guess that's kind of symbolic of a lot of other things being gone. The one thing I forgot to do was to go by West Side High School. It was a little out of the way. Instead I drove up Springfield Ave. to Loantaka Brook Rd. and eventually ended up in Peapack-Gladstone. What a contrast in one day!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. You've seen it all - the good, the bad, and the ugly.
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Janice Riker 
jriker@co.volusia.fl.us
Location:
Florida
Monday, August 9, 2004 20:34 IP: 164.51.78.15 Send E-mail

O.K. Help me out here everyone. Who else remembers the kiddie rides that came around the neighborhoods in the 50's? I think I remember someone posting a picture somewhere, but can't find it now. My boss thinks I am losing it when I tell her about those rides. Anyone have a picture? Thanks!!zzwavey

Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice. I remember those rides. There used to be a vacant lot over between 12th and 13th Ave and between 8th and 9th Streets which used to have the old "temporary housing" for veterans after the Second World War. I remember that they used to use that lot for the rides you are talking about.

Wait till Nick DeBenedetto comes on line. He has some of those pictures you are talking about.

Nicky G:
Janice maybe Glenn Might have one around.
Your right there was one back there somewhere but I think it was Nick D who put it here there

Nicky G:
Janice didn`t find the merry go round but back in #522 there is a pictrue you might beable to use

marytee:
I also remember those Janice-your not nuts yet-----no more than the rest of us anyway!
Yeah, the good ole days!

Caroline Grossmann:
Hi,
I remember two kinds of rides that came around: one that was on small trucks that would come be right on the street - a merry go round for example on the back of a truck; the other kind were much bigger and would be set up on an empty lot or a field - they were amusement park size - this kind is still brought around to towns for weekend events run by churches and other groups. Every year St. Virgil's in Morris Plains runs a weekend of amusement rides in their parking lot with rides of this type.

Joyce:
Hi Janice. I also remember those rides. As a matter of fact, the whip was my favorite.

Joyce:
Hi Janice. I also remember those rides. As a matter of fact, the whip was my favorite.

Joey George:
When I was a kid, a guy I believe his name was Angelo, use to come around with the whip, a small ferris wheel or a small fire engine. The fire engine was a vehicle that about a dozen kids could ride and Angelo would take us for about a 10 block ride from Hinsdale Place on Oraton Street up to Grafton Ave and back. We use to go crazy every weekend when the rides came around! My Dad wasn't too fond of the rides tho and he prayed that they were safe.

Joanne Urna Murphy:
Don't have a picture but I'll vouch for your sanity. There used to be one that came around out neighborhood in the summers (Mt Prospect and Montclair Aves? in the summers .

Janice:
Thanks for the assurance about my mind. I pulled up the picture and will show the whippersnapper when she comes in! Thanks again to all!!
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Jule Spohn 
juliusjspohn@cs.com
Location:
Newark
Monday, August 9, 2004 18:19 Host: cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com Send E-mail

SAVOY GRILL

There is an article in this mornings Star Ledger about the latest upscale restaurant to open here in Newark. It is called the Savoy Grill and is located in the beautiful 60 Park Place building which is in the same block as the Robert Treat Hotel and a block or so away from the Performing Arts Center.

This replaces the former Arthur's Restaurant which didn't make it. I never went to Arthur's for a meal. I checked out their menue and saw the maitre'd all dressed to the hilt at noon time and figured that it would be a rather expensive place to dine. Guess they priced themselves out of the market. Downtown Newark is not ready yet for such an "upscale" type restaurant - no matter how hard they try to present that image. In time perhaps, but not just yet.

Fred Petrozzi:
The Bottle!
It's time to put the issue of the Bottle in a proper perspective.
Granted we the Olde Newarkers take a great deal of pride in preserving this historic
treasure, for it is a reminder of the best days of our lives. I don't think a white knight will come forward
save it, and time will erase it after we're long gone. There are many on this site who will never pass this way
again, but a framed picture reminds me every time I log on that it had a place in our neighborhood.
The New Newarkers will have nothing on which to key on to remind them of what we had going for us, they'll never
have the friends, family, and a spirit that made living in Newark the kind of experience that we would gladly go back
too in heartbeat.
Perhaps Glen could incorporate a minature facsimle of the Bottle and Stand on the logo of these pages.

Nicky G:
THANK YOU MR PETROZZI

Jule Spohn:
Hello Fred. Good suggestion.

Mary Ellen:
Fred...AMEN to that!!!!! We do have alot of special memories, of a time when trust was just that...TRUST. You trusted everyone...and you knew everyone!
To this very day, its hard for me to get to know my neighbors, here in Pa, altho I have tried, but it seems its a one sided thing. We were and are still, a friendly bunch of folks who had the good fortune to be born in Newark at a time when it was a pleasure to be there.
We all have met new friends and have stories to tell. This is a great site, I for one am proud to be part of it!
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Jule Spohn 
juliusjspohn@cs.com
Location:
Newark
Monday, August 9, 2004 18:12 Host: cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com Send E-mail

PRUDENTIAL AND THE TERRORIST'S

There is an article in this morning's Star Ledger about the planned attack on the Prudential Insurance Company building here in Newark. Al Quada operatives proposed "gutting the back of a limousine" and packing it with explosives. Among the materials obtained by US officials from that terrorist's computer that they captured wee maps and timetables for NJ Transit and nearby PATH trains - suggesting tht alQaeda might have been trying to figure out ways to escape after their planed attack on the building.

In addition to the Pru building these terrorists were also planning on using speed boats and divers to carry ut attacks in the New York harbor before the November elections. And just now I see an article on the news that they were planning on using some of the tourist helicopters which fly around Manhattan on a daily basis.

A little scarry I would think.

Nicky G:
Jules my friend why just not go back the every day of life and things might a little bit better if these people there is nothing you are going to be able to do about My friend so live a little and let people who`s job it is to worry Have a good day

Glenn:
It is a little scarry. I'm thinking of cutting back the types of photos that I post on the site. Nothing of the larger buildings that was taken recently.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Glenn. Any of the photo's you have printed, or will print, are already out there, and have been for many years. Example, when the transit police stopped me from taking photo's inside of Penn Station last fall. Any of those photo's that I took have already been in books at the library since the 30's and even more recently after the renovations.

Nat Bodian:
Re: Terrorists

Jule:

We have taken our freedoms for granted for so many years that we find these terror alerts upsetting.

One friend told me it upset him to see his grown children go to work in New York City daily. One takes a train and the other a ferry...Imagine, if you will, people living like this most of their lives, never knowing when the next explosion will kill family, friends, or neighbors, or while driving on a highway from one city to another...The Israeli people have been living with this kind of terror on a daily basis for many years and few Israeli families have remained untouched by tragedy caused by terrorist actions...Perhaps, now we here can show more understanding for the Israelis and why it is a life and death matter for them to take the kinds of defensive measures they are often compelled to take.

Most European countries do not seem to understand what the Israelis go through (or do they?) and almost automatically vote with the large Arab bloc in any Arab-sponsored anti-Israel UN vote, of which there have been dozens.

Many countries around the world, over the years, have erected walls for protection. Now, because it is Israel, the wall is perceived as an international threat.

-- Nat

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nat. The Americans, and the Europeans, have brought this terrible situation on themselves by allowing the open door policies of allowing anyone, and everyone, from the third world countries to come into their midst. For what? They are now learning, I hope, what their positions have done to their own countries. Even with all of this threat, some politicians still believe they did, and are doing,the right thing by allowing these people into their countries.

Joey George:
I believe Time mgazine has a cover article on the whole thing. Supposedly Al Quida had about 500 sights picked out. The U.S. only issued direct warnings on a few but authorities have contacted privately all of the targets.

Joey George:
Jule,

There is/was only ONE major politician who has consistantly advocated shutting the doors on immigration. He is the very unpopular Patrick Buchanan. I am a liberal but I have supported Buchanan for many years. What use to be thought of as "off the wall rhetoric" is now bold and innovative. Too bad Buchanan has been shut out by the Republican Party and more lately, by the media. Buchanan is a conservative with true vision. He would have been a marvelous president.

Veronica:
Hi Jule,
I saw that article. I wondered if rather than looking for an escape route, the terrorists may have been planning attacks on the Pru and NJ Transit and Path at the same time to increase the horror. Whichever, it sure is scary.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Joey. I too voted for Pat Buchanan in the last election. I contributed a lot of money toward his election. I have a nice photo of he and I at a dinner table when he came to New Jersey several years ago. Politically I am further to the right than he is. Even he let me down during the last six months before the election. As I have said before, most politicians would sell their mother and their soul for a vote and Pat Buchanan did exactly that. Here he is, coming from the conservative right and who did he pick for his running mate when he was going down in the polls - Lonnie Folani - a leftist/marxist, black, lesbian. I still get mail from his "American Cause" and I just throw it into the garbage can without opening it.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Veronica. That's a good point. Let's hope we never find out what their real goals are.
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Nicky G 
Location:
Bradenton FL
Monday, August 9, 2004 16:28 Host: dialup-4.247.251.32.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Janice What`s going on up there you people are makeing the TV news all over the place
Change my mind maybe I`ll move up by MaryEllen it`s quiet up that way ?

Nicky G:
PS just seen MaryEllen thing On here change my mind I guess I can`t go up there

Janice:
It was a pretty nassty weekebend here.Six innocent kids were slaughtered by 4 nutcases over an x-box and some clothes. While the investigation was going on someone else robbed a grocery store!! Anyone want to buy a house? CHEAP!!

Nicky G:
Janice after all said and done I think Nicky G will just wait a month or so and it will be great down here again and I wouldn`t have to buy that boat

MaryEllen:
Nicky....it is quiet here and you are welcome to move up here...but I will bet that where you are is far better and nicer then this. While I dont really like Florida...it does have its good areas. Yours and marytees....and my daughter Colleen who lives in Apollo Beach. I'll take the bitter winters and the sort of hot summers...course I probably will WISH we were there in the warmth of the southern sun.

Fred:
Janice, Could you share some of the things that TV has reported?

FRed:
Sorry Janice, not for you but Nicky G

marytee:
hye Janice-that was the most tragic story-no rhyme or reason to it. Can you imagine the ages of those involved? That is spitting life in the garbage can--ALL FOR AN X_BOX MACHINE AND CLOTHES??
We have been watching the news on this but the details were
so gruesome . This is not a Florida thing---this could be any where U>S>A> as the news reveals daily.
No morals here.
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Mary Ellen 
maryehowley@yahoo.com
Location:
Pa
Monday, August 9, 2004 13:52 Host: svcr-209-74-8-208.ppp.svcr.epix.net Send E-mail

Hello! I dont see Jule here...hope he isnt one of the people who left. Nick, second thoughts at all? I sure hope so.
While I am not familier with the bottle...I am with the rest of the things you all talked about. Sort of. What happened to Newark is happening everywhere. Where I now live was once a lovely place to raise a family...now its a total mess.Guess we really can "never go back"...but we sure can try!!! If more of you leave...then the rest of us will follow. RIGHT fellow Newarkers?

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. Nope, still here. I'm here for eternity.

Mary Ellen:
Thats great to hear Jule....I kinda like this site...I have made some pretty nice friends.!
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Tony DiGiesi 
magnaflex2@aol.com
Location:
N.J.
Monday, August 9, 2004 07:39 Host: cache-dtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com Send E-mail

Hi All:
Drove down the Parkway again today the Pabst Bottle still stands. I feel like I am on the Deck of the Constitution looking to see if the Stars and Stripes at Fort Sumpter still can be seen.

Tony

Nat Bodian:
Three Steps to Saving the Bottle:

l. Have Guiness declsre it "World's Biggest Bottle"

2. Have "World's Biggedst Bottle" declared "A National Landmark"

3. Have "World's Biggest Bottle" spared the wreckers ball under "National Landmark" protection.

But then...it's all too late...and this is all a day dream.

-- Nat

Nicky G:
Nat you got that right Dreams have to go sometime to bad but the old can`t be around for ever

Joyce:
Nicky:
I have to disagree with you. Old Newark can be just as beautiful as we remember it, through our memories. And these memories will last forever.
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Fred Petrozzi 
petro.z@erols.com
Location:
Sayreville,NJ
Monday, August 9, 2004 02:38 IP: 209-122-220-235.s235.tnt6.nywnj.ny.dialup.rcn.com Send E-mail

Don't sweat it Nick, I take credit for the first remarks toward that broad who complained about the bottle being a reminder of the poverty and its' influence on the "children in the neighborhood". She's more of an obstacle to peace and tranquility than the phoney poet of Newark.

CAROL "O":
NICK, WHAT FRED SAID, DITTO.

JIm Bates:
Fred:

A reminder of "poverty" ?? To those of us who grew up in Newark, the bottle is a reminder of a Newark we were all proud of: a more prosperous Newark where people took pride in their neighborhoods. Just who is responsible for the blight which surrounds the old Pabst site ??? Don't look at me; look in the mirror, lady !
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Nick DeBenedetto 
PD4103@AOL.COM
Location:
Woodbridge, NJ
Sunday, August 8, 2004 01:16 Host: cache-rf02.proxy.aol.com Send E-mail

Hi all,
This is an open apology to anyone I may have offended on this site with my so called racist comments. It was brought to my attention that I may have gotten out of hand.

I'm very truely sorry that I diverted from the purpose of this website, to bring Old Newarkers together and reminice about the good old times the city once knew.

I'm also sorry that some people were offended when they read the truth. I offered up my email address for any private conversations, and a few of you did email me. Not one of you complained about what I wrote. I just assumed my anger was understood.

None of you here really know me, my background, my family background and it's connection to Newark. Losing the Pabst bottle doesn't bother me as much as the adamant reason behind it being lost. That's the racist part, but it's taboo to say that.

My father was wounded in Korea so I can speak the way HE taught me to. I've been to 3 military funerals for friends, as young as 24, in the last year so I can speak freely. BUT this isn't the place to do that...and again I apoligize.

It's possible this site may have lost 3 people to my comments. I hope Glenn can persuade them to come back...and just be satisfied with losing only 1.

Thanks for the fun, I'll post again someday

Nick DeBenedetto

Joyce:
Stay with us, Nick. The love you have for Newark came to us through your comments and stories. When we see needless destruction, it angers us to a point where we just have to lash out. I'm sure we have all been there.

rich:
Nick, You've committed no crime in my book. Your contributions to this site greatly outnumber any remarks made passionately about current events in Newark and your unacceptance of their outcome.I stand shoulder to shoulder with you.

Mary:
I hope you will reconsider and continue being a guestbook regular. I have enjoyed your comments, stories and photos.

jack k:
Hi Nick De,

We all have to stand tall and speak the truth even when it hurts. Don't give in to those real bigots.

Bill Russo:
Hello Nick........I know what you meant by saying what you did..........it was not racist, but truthful. You are correct, what once were nice areas, are now blighted areas. Same homes, same everything, Different neighborhood pride, is what makes it a blight. The excuse of being poor, never quite cut it with me. You can be poor and not be filthy or destructive. And yet, The proof of what you said it right there on South Orange Avenue. Different times, Different values, Different world.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
NICK--I AM BEHIND YOU 100%--DAN DEL BAGNO

Joey George:
Nick,

I understand your anger and I hope you continue to post. You contributions here have been awesome!

Bob Jeffery:
Nick et al: Seldom contribute but am a daily reader and must give you high marks for telling it like it is which few do in this PC World. I found out "long ago" after delivering mail in Newark/East Orange that this area is no longer to be called "home" and as with the destruction of the Cemetries sooner rather than later all of our history will be replaced i.e. Street names for example. Was born on Central Av & High Street, oops it is now MLK Blbd and who knows what Central Ave will become. I hung in 'til recently but now live quite peacefully in rural Hunterdon County. Best to all!

Mary Ellen:
Hi Nick...dont go! You said what you thought. We all did. If people left I'm sorry, but there are many of us who speak our minds and rightfully so. Please reconsider and stay with us! PLEASE!!!

Barb L. Rothschild:
Dear Nick:
Kudos to you, Nick, and God Bless. You can believe me when I say you have more supporters than detractors....I'm sure the majority of Old Newarkers appreciate your truthfulness and agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly! "Keep on Trucking!"

frank wells:
Nick. I thought you may have been on vacation. Sure missed your posts, they cover the whole history of newark. If anyone was offended by the truth--too bad, last time I looked this is still america, where freedom of speech is guaranteed.and also with liberty and justice for ALL!

Tony DiGiesi:
Hey Nick:
I am sure you did not mean to condemn everyone. Just your frustration at the turn of events. Newark and all of us who lived there definatly suffered for whatever reason. And apparently the wound has not yet healed after all these years.
Tony
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Dom Orefice 
Location:
New Vernon, NJ
Saturday, August 7, 2004 01:36 IP: 17.piscataway-15rh16rt-16rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net

Tony,
Send me the photos and I will add them to the West Side High School, Class of June 1954 web site. The site address is:

http://www.garagedoor-repairs.com/wsreunion.html :-)

Tony Digiesi:
Ok Dom will scan and send the Photos vie e-mail is that the best way to do it?
Tony
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Nicky G 
Location:
Bradenton FL
Friday, August 6, 2004 20:05 Host: dialup-4.247.128.113.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Janice going back to #819 about selling you my car I sorry so guy I think his name was Tom Called me and said I want you know my wife doesn`t ride in Buick I buy her Lexus BMW I don`t want her rideing in cheap cars so I`m sorry my friend I didn`t know you were big time

Janice:
Nicky; I am anything but the big time. I drive a '83 Buick. I'd love a Lexus, but can't get any closer to them than on t.v.Have a ggreat day my friend!
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Webmaster 
webmaster@oldnewark.com
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HOFFMAN/PABST BOTTLE:

Destruction of the bottling plant (the east building with the bottle on top) is slated to begin on Monday.

The west building (brewery) hasn't been cleaned up yet so that it can be demolished.
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Jule Spohn 
juliusjspohn@cs.com
Location:
Newark
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HOFFMAN/PABST BOTTLE

There is a story in today's Star Ledger about the planned demolition of the Bottle. The developers said that it will cost about $200,000 to lower it to the ground. They will be getting a $33 million government grant (TAX PAYER MONEY) to tear down the present buildings and buld the new ones. The $200,000 would be a drop in the bucket out of the $33 million. The difference between the developers here in Newark for the past 30 years or so and the owners who actually put up the buildings and other infracture in Newark back in the 1800's and most of the 1900's is that those older owners used their own money to do the constructin while the developers today do not use their own money but use taxpayer money in the form of government grants.

I'd like to see all of you send a letter to the Mayor and to the Star Ledger to express your feelings about the continual destruction of Newark's historical artifacts.

You can send an e-mail "Letter To The Editor" at: eletters@starledger.com

And the address for the mayor is: The Honorable Sharpe James, City Hall, 920 Broad Street, Newark, NJ 07102

And let them know that you are outraged by this ongoing destruction of Newark's history - a history that you were part of.

NICK DEBENEDETTO:
Hi Jule,
The idiots that came up with the $200,000 amount evidentally have another motive. I'm in construction and I estimate the bottle could be brought to the ground for around $65,000...and that may even be high. If you got the bottle donated to the historical society, or a similar orginization you could probably get most of the labor and such donated. Look what was done to save Tillie in Asbury Park...people who got together because they loved the icons, had them removed, and it didn't cost anything. I really think we were shafted.

When that moronic woman mentioned the site as being a blight, she was absolutely right. 40 years ago it was a booming bustling brewery, then, the blight moved into the neighborhood. The element that destroyed our city are the actual blight
It wouldn't surprise me if we found out that Mayor-For-Life Sharpe James and this other idiot woman have scrap rites to the bottle.

I better stop now before I start getting bad and say something that every one knows, but are afraid to say here....email me and I'll say it to you, and I surely hope that Mayor or this other imbecil read this and email me...try it!

NICK DEBENEDETTO
PD4103@AOL.COM

rich:
Jule & Nick, I read that article in the Ledger and felt pure disgust for the utter lack of respect for landmark objects in Newark which will be cast to the scrapyard because of their lack of significance to the majority of Newark's residents today.Maybe every reference to Robert Treat and the founders of Newark will someday be cast aside as insignificant to future Newarkers. Here is the url for the article for all to cut & paste in their browsers to read.
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/base/news-5/109178279768160.xml

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick. I'm at work right now and can't think of her name but you are right - I'm sure that she is the one behind the bottle not being saved. She talked about the blighted area in the original article in the Star Ledger months ago and she mentioned it again today. She is the president of the local neighborhood ass'n in that area. I had sent another woman who is also a member of that same assn all of my letters to the mayor etc and this woman was in favor of saving it. She lives there on Gladstone Ave. I'm sure that she was voted down at their meetings. I'll mention their names when I get home from work later tonight.

I think that you should also send a Letter To The Editor and to the Mayor and express your feelings and mention the lower amount that you think the bottle could have been saved with.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick. The name of the woman who is president of the block association, and who is so against saving the bottle, is Robin Lateef-Ashanti. The other woman on the neighborhood association whom I've spoken with several times, and who wanted to save the bottle, is Louise Dancy. She has lived on Gladstone Ave ever since the mid 1960's. Lateef-Ashanti's original comment about the brewery in the Star Ledger back in February was "It's an eyesore, a bad tooth that needs to be removed." Yesterday, when others were speaking favorably of the history of the bottle she said: "It can go" when speaking of the bottle.

Mary:
I remember the Pabst name, but I don't remember the bottle. I must have been too young.
It has been many years since I lived in Newark and I am just now remembering places and streets when I read all the guestbook info. Many of the landmarks are vaguely familiar, but not this one.

I do admire all of you, and your efforts to save old Newark. Perhaps the new generation has no connection and therefore no concern?

Why has the building been vacant for so long? Someone must have been paying taxes on it or the property. It seems like the property has financial possibilities for someone, and we all know vacant buildings bring in no income-----money must be talking?

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Jule,
About her "it can go" comment, trust me if I run into her, I'll make it clear that she can go, then I'll tell where. Don't believe me? Set up the meeting and let me know where and when. I may be only a little guy, but I'm not afraid of anyone.

Mary..I don't know how old you are, but the bottle was erected in 1930. I've been up on it and it's as sound as I am...well, hold that thought!

Pabst probably would have stayed in Newark, if they could have relocated. That would have been a huge undertaking. They were on a downhill slide and started closing brewerys. Peoria, Ill. was first in 1982, then Newark in 1983 & 1985.

I recently ran into a fellow who retired from Pabst when they closed. He started there when he came home from overseas when WW-2 ended and, like most of the older generation, worked the same job, in a factory setting, for over 40 years. He told me when he was on the night shift he can remember the animals (his words) walking into the yard, opening the trucks and stealing whatever they could. This was in plain sight of the employees who were told not to get involved...just let them go. (this is how we lost the city in the first place) They would sometimes walk up to the loading dock and just pick up a case of beer and WALK not run away. They also stole anything they thought they could scrap. The area got so bad that they started knowing the names of these animals as they were there as much as the employees! To them, stealing was THEIR job! Someone had to do it. He said Pabst tried to service the area, making monitary donations locally or supplying beer for local functions. The more Pabst gave, the more the animals took. The loss was just too much and Pabst figured they were in enough trouble so they cut their losses.

Just so there's no backlash...the guy who told me this still lives on Richlieu Terrace, and is very much black. He's older, and extremely plesant...and very upset about the bottle being lost.

Pabst owned the building and used it for storage until 1985. They retained ownership, but sold the equipment to an overseas brewery. The city took the building over and are the ones who let in fall in disrepair. Almost like they had it all planned out...

Ramblin' Nick

Mary:
Note for Nick:
Thank you for the Pabst history. I knew you were good at explaining things. That must be a trait you inherited from a relative with the same last name?
It's great that so many are committed to saving the area's history.
The Pabst story is sad, and I don't even remember the bottle, but it's still history and that should mean something to somebody.
If the city has had control over the situation for years now, you wonder why it was not a priority?
There is also less commotion if plans are revealed to the public at the last minute, giving no time to reverse decisions.
Again, I think money is a big factor in what people do, and who benefits.
Just look at some of the CEO's in the news recently.
Thanks again for the info.

Bob Certo:
I know about the bottle and I am not from Newark and I am in my early 30's. My whole family is from Newark and sold Hoffman soda in there candy store. The whole complex was Hoffman soda first before Pabst. You can see it from the Parkway.
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Hi Glenn:
I have some pictures of West Side H.S. 50th reunion I would like to post but they are much larger than the 100k allowed how can I send them to you for posting and shrink the size.
Regards
Tony
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SUSSEX AVE.SCHOOL IS HAVING A REUNION ALL YEARS SEPT.19,2004.ALL WHO ARE INTERESTED,PLEASE CALL BEATRICE @(973)386-1476 OR NICK @ (973)992-9493
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Bruce Hued 
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Sorry to hear the bottle can't be saved. On a recent visit I was impressed by all of the development and improvements on the riverfront.
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HOFFMAN/PABST BOTTLE

When I got home from work a little while ago around 12:30am there was a message on my machine from Jeffery Mays, a reporter for the Star Ledger, asking for a comment from me. Seems like they will be tearing down the Hoffman/Pabst buldings, including the bottle, later today, Friday, August 6th, 2004.

Looks like the letters I sent to the Star Ledger, the Mayor, the Council Members, Newark Preservation and Landmarks Committee, and the neighborhood association up in that area, fell on deaf ears. The Mayor and Councilwoman Bessie Walker came back to me with letters saying that they agreed with me that the bottle should be saved, and even one of the new owners of the property, Gregory Comito, said that they would try to save it, but all came to nothing. Actions speak louder than words and in this case no action was taken. I really don't think that anyone seriously tried to save it. Like other historic artifacts here in Newark over the past forty or so years many people here today say "it's not part of my history" and that's the end of it.

If nothing else, Nick DeBenedetto and I, go into the property and buildings several weeks ago and took some pretty good final photo's. Glenn has already posted some of them and there will be more to follow.

It will be interesting to see the comments in the Star Ledger in the coming days. I'll let you know what is said.

Tony Digiesi:
Hi Jule:
Sorry to hear all your work did not pay off. Money must have had something to do with the decision or it got to be a problem for the Owners.
I just took a trip to Atlantic City so I had a view of the Bottle from the Parkway one last time...... too bad another Part of our Beloved Newark is being distroyed. Thank you for your efforts it was not to be as the Rape of Newark continues. We all will always have the good times to remember.
To me Newark is what I remember it to be growing up and it will always remain that way. I can always go back there again in my mind and heart.
Tony D.

Janice:
I'm gonna miss that bottle. Always looked for it on my trips to the area.

Joey George:
Nothing but bad news these days. I don't doubt some people in the administration tried to save the bottle but they didn't try to save it with the PASSION that former Newarkers (and present Newarkers, like Jule)have for Newark's history. I guess the bottom line is - where does one put the bottle? This is waaaay to late of a thought but I think that maybe the Parkway Authority may have been able to find a home for the bottle. The bottle is/was not only a Newark landmark, it was a Garden State Parkway landmark too. Oh well.
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PETER GRIMM

Hello Joan. Peter has not been on line here form many, many months. Last we heard from him I think he said he was somewhere over in China at that time.

Peter, if you read this, let us know where, and how you are.
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Charlie G. 
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Hi All;
Don't forget about the Chock Full of Nut that was on Broad Street between Raymond Blvd. and Commerce street. Remember the sandwiches they served. Sure were good and don't forget the Date Nut cake. All of this is long gone .

Joanne Urna Murphy:
I used to catch the #10 Hillside bus right outside Chock Full O Nuts. Everyone would go inside to stay out of the weather and have coffee. The bus driver would stop at the empty corner and we wouldall pile out onto the bus.

Mary Ellen:
Hi charlie...thats the one I was referring to in an earlier post. At least I think it was...the doughnuts were so good . I use to go there with my grandmother, couldnt have coffee but I did drink milk. It was much differetn then the donut shops of today! TGIF!
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Mary Ellen 
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Thanks Jule, for your story of Fr Judge. You indeed are a man of many faces. What a wealth of information you have and the memories you share with all of us is astounding.
Did you ever think of writing a book? With all you know and all you have been through...it would be a best seller right away! Its a thought Jule. Thank you again!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. I've had an interesting life so far, thank God. Over the years several others have asked me to write a book but I don't think I'll ever do it. Who knows, perhaps when I grow up.

Mary:
Note for Jule,
I really don't know you but I've been reading all your comments and recollections on this site. You seem so knowledeable in so many areas. And it seems like you enjoy sharing your stories. There is a collection of them here in the Guestbook!
Even if you're not sure about writing a whole book, perhaps you could just write short stories in a notebook, and before you realize it, the notebook is full and it becomes a collection that could become a book.
Apparently, Bill Clinton wrote his current book by filling up 22 notebooks. I'm sure your life is just as interesting, and probably more regular folks could relate and enjoy what you write.

Jule Spohn:
If I ever do decide to write "My life's story" I know that at least I can sell two books right away to you guys. With a cheering squad like you how could I go wrong.

Mary Ellen:
Jule, see...I'm not the only one here who thinks the same thing. Just remember us when your rich and famous!~ Go Jule!!!!
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N icky G 
Location:
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Janice where Marytee haven`t seen her around maybe she away anyway do I have a deal for you because your my friend
I got my car a 2003 buick for sale for you going out and buying a boat so I could get around here a little better or I`m going to have to move near you and you don`t want me up there

Nicky G:
PS if yuor looking for me you know where I`m at this time of the day over with Manny and the guys

Janice:
Hi Nicky, Now that you mention it--she has been mia. Come on and sell that car an move to beautiful Volusia county. Plenty of room fo more ex jersites!!
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Tony Lambiase 
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This is for you DownNeckers. Does anyone remember the AMVETS building on Walnut Street between Jefferson and Pacific Streets. My parent had their wedding reception there. I think is was closed by the late 60's. I could be wrong
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Hello world... I'm writing to see if anyone out there can tell me what happened to the house in the corner of 6th and Park? I used to live there as a child when my father was killed in a bar argument... I just visited the place only to find that there is a Laundrymat there! there is also a Burger King at the corner which back then was something else? can remember what? this was back in the 70s :confused:
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I did include my E-mail address
when I signed the book.Anyway
here it is-( ND-JimHennessey@
webtv.net).
ThanK You-Good Luck
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Jack Keegan 
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Good Morning Newarkers,
I am sending the following letter to Ms. Goldstein.

August 4,2004

Newark Public Information Office
City Hall - Room 214
920 Broad Street
Newark, NJ - 07102

Att: Pamela E. Goldstein-Director

My Dear Ms Goldstein
I would expect you to make some corrections to "Notables from Newark"-past ans present.
Archie Callahan was not the only Newarker killed in the Japanese attack on the Hawaii on December 7, 1941.
Three others Newark citizens made the "Supreme Sacrifice" on that date,they are

Louise Schleifer-Army Air Corp-Hickham Field.
Nicolas Runick-Us Navy-USS Arizona-Pearl Harbor.
Raymond Kerrigan-US Navy-USS Vestal-Pearl Harbor.

Also in Professional Athletes how about adding.
Eugene"Gene" Hermanski graduated East Side High School and who played in the Major Leagues for twelve seasons, mostly with the Brooklyn Dodgers.

I'm looking forward to seeing these corrections.
Sincerely yours,
(Sig)
John C. Keegan
3611 Glenn Curtis Crescent
East Meadow,NY - 11554

Manny:
I'm elated you're taking care of this, Jack. I found the sole listing of Archie Callahan offensive to the memory of Newark's other Pearl Harbor heroes, along with being somewhat racist.

jack k:
Thank you Manny,
I'm with you on this racist bit.
I just hope that my message gets through.

Manny:
Along this same line, Jack, is the listing of James Baxter as an educator, but no listing of John Barringer.

Manny:
Correction on Barringer's first name. It was William.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Jack. Nice letter. Let's see what happens.
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Janice 
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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 13:05 IP: 164.51.78.15

Another diner bites the dust. I hear the Short-Stop (in Bloomfield) is going to be a dunkin donuts. I loved that place,mainly cause my step dad was a cook there and it was a nice stop on the way to Girl's voc. in Newark.zzgirl

Joan:
Hi Janice,
Yes its in todays Ledger. Essex County section. "RESIDENTS AND DELI OWNERS PROTEST NEW USE FOR BLOOMFIELD LANDMARK". Every where they can put a Dunkin Donuts they put one. I don't and never liked Dunkin Donuts. They all taste the same. Now, I have a Dunkin Donuts on my corner. I read an obit Charles Blind died. I think this was Arlene's uncle.

Janice:
Hi Joan, Yes I also saw the obit and it was her Uncle Robert who passed. Charlie and Blanche are her parents.Its a real shame about the short stop also.

Mary Ellen:
HI Janice. I remember the Short Stop well...it is a nice place.Altho I havent been there in a very long time, I can still see it in my minds eye.Dunkin Donuts isnt and never will like Chock Full of Nuts was when it first came out. I dont know if was the first of its kind but the coffee and doughnuts were delicious! Do you remember the one in dowtown Newark? I cant remember if it was on Broad St or a side st...but it was so good.This was in the early to mid 50s.

Manny:
I wish there was a Dunkin' Donuts in Tulsa. This is the only major city I know of that doesn't have one. Oklahoma City, about 100 miles away, has a half-dozen of them. There's a Krispy Kreme in Tulsa, but I don't like those doughnuts.

In the meantime, my condolences on the diner. I have never been to the Short Stop, but I'm one of those people that happen to believe that diners are a part of Americana that need to be preserved.

Janice:
Mary Ellen, I believe Chock was on the street that ran up to the courthouse and it was just a few doors down from Orbachs. Boy was that a shopping trip, hitting Bams,Orbachs, Hahnes,Kleins and Kresge's. Not to mention all the little stores in between!And only35 cents to ride the #144 down from W.O., shopping all day and then meeting Dad for dinner. Sure do miss those days!!

Jule Spohn:
Hello everyone. I used to go to that Chock Full O Nuts by Orbachs for coffee and the best Whole Wheat Donuts I ever had. Sure miss them. Dunkin Donuts is OK, but I always liked Chock Full O Nuts better.

Joey George:
Jule...I liked Chock Full of Nuts better too

Manny...Don't like Krispy Kremes, huh? I agree...I loved them when they first came out. Now that i've had a few...just like Dunkin Donuts. You're not missing anything, except the coffee.

As to the Short Stop: Its getting to where nothing remains forever.

Joan:
Jule,
What ever happened to Peter Grimm?

Barb L. Rothschild:
Barb L. Rothschild
Hi, Janice: Nice to recall the old Chock Full O' Nuts coffee shop. It's exact location was on Market Street, right next door to the A. S. Beck Shoe Store and the Kitty Kelly Shoe Store. I recall it exactly, because my late step-brother was the manager for many years of the Kitty Kelly Shoe Store. On many occasion, he sent me "next door", to buy and bring back some coffee and donuts for him and for some of his employees as well. I still can recall sitting at that counter inhaling that delicious scent of fresh brewed coffee, while waiting for my order to be prepared, to take back to Kitty Kelly two doors away. And the flavor of those glazed donuts!.....nothing like it, not Dunkin'Donuts, not Krispy Kremes, not any can compare! Also, at some point in time, I recall there was some type of connection between Chock Full O'Nuts and Joe Di Maggio? Did he become a spokesman for the company, or did he eventually buy the company? Does any one recall the connection? Perhaps it came after Chock Full O'Nuts went "public", and one could now buy the coffee in one's local supermarket...I can't recall, does anyone??????

Jim T:
There are no Dunkin Donuts in Northern California, maybe none in Southern California.
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Danny B. 
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Walking in Newark today, there are far more barricades than I realized. In addition to block containing the main Prudential Building on Broad Street, the building behind that one between Halsey and Washington and the one on the next block between Washington and University are also blocked off (all between Academy and Clinton?). Also, in the morning, they barricade a building on Raymond Blvd. between McCarter Hwy and Mulberry Street, reducing Raymond Blvd. to a one way streey for that stretch. Want to get into a good start-up business? I hear making barricades that are easier on the eyes is a booming business right now.
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Jim Hennessey 
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Please enter my E-Mail addess.

Barb:
Hi Jim,
When you sign in on guests book. You have to enter your email. Then you will see another icon next to the pencil and the paper:)
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Jim Hennessey 
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Very nice web-site,enjoyed the visit.Two of my buddies came
from Newark.They were killed
in action in Dec.1944.
Frank Collatto-Ernest Deubel.
I think of them often.
WW2-Vet-Co.E-345th-Regt-87th
-Golden Acorn-Inf. Div.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Jim. Welcome to oldnewark.com. Come back and check us out often.

rich:
Jim, My Newark roots were planted by my Bayonne born and raised Mother,Claire(Zimmer) Olohan.Welcome to OldNewark!
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SETTING UP THE PRUDENTIAL BUILDIDNG

It was amazing to read in yesterday's and today's Newark Star Ledger the amount of survelance that Al Qaeda had done on the Prudential Building here in Newark. They knew that "14 pedestrians per minute" were walking along the outside of the building on Broad Street at midweek. They knew the locations of security checkpoints insige buildings, and knew what days thre were fewer guards on duty, and when elevators were shut down. Government officials said on Sunday that one of the things they had learned was the al Qaeda had suggested terrorists could sit in the window seats of coffee shops nearby targeted buildings to conduct reconnaissance. There is a fairly new (within the past two years) Starbucks Coffee Shop over in the National Newark & Essex Bank building which is directly across the street from the Pru. "It's tough to distinguish people there", said one unidentified police officer. "It is open to the public. They don't seem to mind if you sit down and read a book."

It is my feeling that in this time of national emergency, when we know that there are people from the Middle-East who are already here in this country who want to kill Americans, and what we stand for, that our government leaders, from the President, the Senate, and the Congress, on down, should do what the politicians had the COURAGE to do back in the 1940's when they rounded up some of the Japanese, Germans, and Italians, and placed them in camps until the government got a handle on what the threat level was to the American people. Today, we know for sure that there are al Qaeda operatives already in this country, even though Senior intelligence officials said on Sunday that they "do not have al Qaeda cells under survelliance in this country." I sent President Bush, VP Chaney, Tom Ridge, the Heads of the FBI and the CIA, and the two Senators and my Congressman from New Jersey a letter stating my convictions several months ago. The only one who respoded back to me was Vice Pesident Channey. They all know what should be done today, but none of our Politicians today have the political COURAGE to do what is needed to fully protect the American people. They will keep beating around the bush till we are once again hit hard and will then say "We didn't expect them to do that - what ever "that" might be. Your old hometown of Newark is a sitting duck just waiting for the next big hit from the terrorists.

Phil Lynch:
Jule,
You can blame the ACLU and other "rights" organizations for protecting our enemies. What will it take to awake the sleeping Giant again?

Jule Spohn:
Hello Phil. You are absolutely right. The murderer's, rapists, terrorists, et. al. have more rights than do the hard working, peaceful, caring, citizens of this country. I blame almost every politician for the past 40 or so years for selling this country down the drain. What happened here in Newark for the past 40 or so years is a perfect example of what I mean. Lawyers, judges, politicians, and so-called civil rights groups helped to tear this country apart and opened the doors for the terrorists to have a free hand to do what they have done, and what they are in the process of doing, to this country. Even today, none of our politicians have the political will power, or the courage, to do what is right to protect this country the way it should be protected.

Danny B.:
I took a walk at lunch time from my office at 33 Washington St. Hopefully there will be no attacks in Newark, but no matter, the terrorists have still won a small battle. Did I feel any safer, what with cops everywhere, some dressed in black and carrying assault machine guns? Do all of the barriers, far beyond what is being reported, assuage my fears? Not in the least. Seeing this makes me know my America is no more. I don't blame Bush, I don't blame Clinton, heck I don't blame the ACLU. These problems roots are in the Middle East, where people living in povery and illiteracy are easy targets for recruitment for those who hate, and use religion as a come-on.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Danny B. You are absolutly right about the problems being in the Middle East. That is where they belong - not here in America. It was the politicians who changed the immigrations laws back in the early/mid sixties and cut back tremendously on the percentages of people who came from Europe, where the majority of the Americans came from, and greatly increased those percentages for those from Asia, Africa, Latin America, and other Third World country's. We brought these problems on ourselves. For two centuries America was safe - we had the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans on our flanks and we had Canada and Mexico on our northern and southern boarders. We were safe at home with the immigrants coming from Europe. All that chanaged in the sixties and America will never be safe again.

Phil Lynch:
I also agree with Danny B. about ignorance and other cultural factors overseas that affect the world. But its here at home and the politically correct crowd that gets on my nerves. I predict that one of these days the Real Americans are just going to get sick and tired of this situation and rise up.

Tony DiGiesi:
Jule:
You took the words right out of my mouth. I just said that unfortunatly Muslims should be segregated from Society as the bad ones use the other peacefull Muslims for cover and since we can't tell who is who... seperate all of them. And sort it all out again.
I don't enjoy being called an Infidel and fair game.I don't dance in the street when anyone is killed. I never called Islam a bad name all my life.
There seems no other way.The risks are too high.The Liberals like Kennedy will always scream but tough, 9-11 was the wake up call. I hope we all heard it.My appoligies to all the peacefull Muslims living here but they can blame their countrymen for the problem.Not us,
Tony

Frank Harrison:
While we're at it, let's just throw out the Constitution altogether. You are talking about martial law, and the installation of Judaeo-Christianism as state religion.

Fear and ignorance fuel and fulfill terrorism. Sorry for the harsh words, but for the moment this is an America of free speech.

Ground Zero was my neigborhood and I miss many lost friends, but I'm unwilling to give up rights for myself or others.

Andrew Keegan:
We live in dangerous times, and I hope our leaders pursue al Qaeda with ruthless intensity, at home and abroad. But after reading these posts, I feel obligated to add just a few words of support for Danny B. and Frank Harrison.
It is, and I pray it will remain, unconstitutional to lock up people on the grounds of their national origin or religion; America was never designed to accept only those of European ancestry; and the idea that America was "safe" until the hordes arrived from Asia, Africa, and the mid-East is, to put it mildly, a matter of perspective--just ask the American Indians who were subjected to genocidal policies by European settlers(BTW, to bring the topic back to home, talked to any Lenni Lenape Indians lately?), or the African Americans who came here in chains and were still being lynched at alarming rates until roughly 70 years ago.
America is a living experiment;it has been severely challenged in the past (by even greater and more powerful foes--for example, the fascists--than those it faces today), and it has prevailed. It will survive this threat too, if we all keep our eye on the prize.

Mary Ellen:
Such eloquint responses. Just the fact that you can say what you feel is what this country is all about.
Jule, Danny B, Mr. Harrison and Mr.Keegan. , whos words touched me, "ground zero was my neighorhood, I lost many friends there", are very sad words . God love us all...and keep us in His Care! We need it!

Julel Spohn:
Ground Zero was also my grounds. I was working on Wall Street before they tore down the old buildings to build the Twin Towers. I was on one of the first PATH trains to come into the building on the first day they ran. I was a member of the club on the top before it was open to the public. I lived just four or five blocks up along the West Side Highway and used to walk to my office from 1976 to 1984. The first person to be pronounced dead on that terrible day, Father Michael Judge, was a close friend of my for over 20 years prior to his untimly death. Several of the men I worked with at Merrill Lynch died that day also. For what. Just because these Islamist militants hate America and Americans. They are only sorry that they did not kill 30,000 instead of 3,000 and if they have their was they will indeed kill 30,000. I have no regreats or remorse when I say that we should round them up, kick them out of the country, or put them in camps until we "Americans" get a handle on this situation. As you can tell, I am not a bleeding heart liberal. When the Constitution, or any other law, stops working for Americans, then Americans, have the right to change it.

Jule Spohn:
As far as the words "fear and ignorance" go, yes indeed Americans feel fear from these militant extreamist terrorists. Ignorance is a poor choice of words to use. The World Trade Center was attacked twice, the USS Cole was attacked, several hundreds of Marines were killed in their barracks in Beruit, American Embassy's have been attacked, American's have been beheaded in Iraq by these terrorists. This is not "ignorance" - these are FACTS. Wake up people and take a close look around you and see what is going on to Americans, just because we are AMERICANS. We do not need these people in our midst. You cannot tell the good from the bad and the American people should not have to try to figure them out. We are at WAR in case anyone forgets about it - and we have enemies in our midst - right here on American soil.

Frank Harrison:
We are debating important public issues, and thank God we have the ability to do so.

Jule, you and others as well as me, all know people who have perished in the atrocities aimed at Lower Manhattan. I too was in the WTC the day of the 1993 attack, and I am thankful that God and a speed-walking colleague led me to safety.

My choice of the word “ignorance” may be overly-harsh, but our leaders must force us to take a long-range macro-look at the way we are perceived in the world; not just by our would-be Enemies but also our once-were Allies. Our society's example is our strength.

I try my best not to simplify other’s strongly held views, and appreciate a tolerance of my views not as merely being “politically correct."

Let’s hope that the airing of issues in the the open somehow leads to a peaceful consensus.

Patriots disagreed about WWII threats, with many Republicans fighting against FDR’s arming of America. Their beliefs were sincere, though misguided in my opinion. The world has grown more complex since then, and solutions more illusive. We survived WWII, we will survive Islamic-based terrorism. Unity is not a lock-step belief in one God's vision, but a universal belief of justice, humanity and equality.

Phil Lynch:
Nicely said Frank but unfortunately not all the peoples on Earth want to sit down and talk for a peaceful solution. I am by no means a war mongerer nor intolerant but as history has shown some cultures only know the way of the sword to settle disputes. And although I don't want to see a World War 3 or any more bloodshed we cannot just sit back and not react to threats to our nation.

Mary Ellen:
Hi Jule, I just read what you had to say..and I am truly sorry that you went through what you did on that fatefull day...9-11. Was Fr. Judge the one who was carried out by the firefighters, it was in all the papers? I can see his face, it was a picture in my mind that I will never forget.
Jule, I didnt know you were there at that time. I can only imagine what you saw and how you feel about it all.Its obvious why you feel the way you do.In fact you were the topic of conversation at my breakfast table this morning.You and my husband see things basically the same way. Your a very smart guy, what you always have to say is to the point and you dont mince words. Some agree with you...others dont. But this is why we are still a free nation and hopefully will stay that way.You are so right tho, in my opinion, we cant keep our heads in the sand and not take charge or we will be lost!
Thanks Jule and everyone for your views on our American way of life....lets hope and pray we can always say what we want to say and not be punished for it.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated. Yes, it is a shame that everyone in the whole world doesn't agree with me. If they did the world would be a wonderful place. LOL!!

Yes, that photo you saw in the newspapers is that of Father Mychael Judge. I first met him back in the early 1980's. He was really such a wonderful human being. He saw good in everybody. Came from a good old-fashioned Irish background and had the gift of gab. Never had a bad word to say about anybody or anything. He loved being the Chaplain to the Fire Dept and died just where he was happiest - in the midst of trouble and with him men. I almost fell over when that photo of the police and firemen carring his body out of the rubble in a chair. A great loss to his friends, fellow-priests, firemen, and other people in general. When my closest friend died back in 1986 Father Mychael Judge came to the funeral home and said some prayers the night before the burial. There were many times over the years I had dinner or lunch with him. There were many years when he said the Christmas Eve Mass for a group of friends. What I remember most of that Mass was that he always brought along a Baby Jesus doll which was wrapped in beautiful clothing and he kept it on the altar during Mass and then held it in his arms during his homily about the birth of Christ. I've often wondered what happened to that doll. The Archbishop of New York had his Fire Dept Chaplain helmet given to the Pope in memory of him.
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Janice 
Location:
Florida
Tuesday, August 3, 2004 15:51 IP: 164.51.78.15

Does anyone up there recall a 'gin mill' by Main and Kossuth named something like 'The Ranch'. It seems that my husbanad and his sister spent a lot of time there in the late 50's early 60's. I barely recall it as I was so young at the time (right!) :confused: :D :D

Nicky G:
Janice my friend what I like to know is where is Main and Kossuth

Janice:
My friend... Its down neck past Marne St and I believe also below Krugs. I also think there is/was a meat packing plant nearby.

rich:
Janice, that would be the "101 Ranch" on Kossuth St. between Magazine St. and St. Charles St.

Ron Hayes:
Hey Rich you really know your DN bars the 101 Ranch was one of my favorite hangouts good people and plenty of laughs.they had a hall in the back where we had our softball parties,right on the corner of Main and Kossuth Sts.

Jule Spohn:
From the 1961 phone book:

One-O-One Ranch Tavern, 130 Main Street. Ph # MArket 2-9835

Janice:
Yhat's the one! Thanks, for a while I thought my memory was playing tricks again.

Nicky G:
Janice my friend I was nice guy when I was young that why I didn`t know it
That time I study not out Like Keansburg Kid or Rich

Janice:
Nicky, I was a sweet young thing then. Notice I said my husbandand his sister hung out there, not me. I never saw a bar until I was almost 19. Very sheltered life:)

Barb:
Janice,

101 Ranch, also had a hall went to many special occassions there.

rich:
Ron, Not many bars that I did not frequent Down Neck!I did my bar hopping starting in the 70s.

Ron Hayes:
Well rich just so you know I took care of the fifties and sixties at the Down Neck bars.I don't think I missed many.

vinnie spagnola:
yes that was the name phil pecorra owned it it was around the corner from synthetic plastic comp. it is part of a bakery,and plastic comp is being torn down for houses.
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Rich Weissman and Bette Blum 
bradleybeach@comcast.net
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Newarkers....we need your memories! Bette Blum and Rich Weissman (our parents grew up in Newark!) are writing a book on Bradley Beach from the 1940's through the current day. We are looking for recollections, essays, poems, and pictures. No contribution is too small. Please contact us at bradleybeach@comcast.net for more information. Thanks.
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Joan Niven 
Location:
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Monday, August 2, 2004 18:59 Host: ool-43521815.dyn.optonline.net

For Jule and Mary Ellen: It's good to have nice neighbors.
For Judie: I don't recall a Sal Rafanello.
For Fred Petrosi: No my father was not Frank Daniels. But I remember the name. I remember Bonavita and Daniels florist down 14th Ave. My father's name was Joe Tordello. Nickname "Joe Crawfoot" in those days everybody had a nickname. He worked for Andy Rafanello when they were on 14th ave. Thats where he was from. No. 85 14th ave. Were you from 14th ave? I grew up on So. 12th st. between 14th and 15th ave.

Joan:
Sorry Fred for spelling your name wrong.

Nicky G:
Joan your father lived in the brick apt house just below Bruce st right

TOMMY"O":
JOAN...MAY I ASK YOUR AGE...JUST TO GET A TIME FRAME OF WHEN YOU GREW UP ON 14TH AVE.

Joan:
Hi Tommy "O"
Born in 1942.
Nicky G. My father would have been 93. He died in 2001. I don't know if he lived on Bruce St. I think he onced lived on Morris ave. I found him on the Ellis Island Web site when he come over in 1919.

Fred Petrozzi:
Joan, As a teen, I too worked at the flower shop on 14th ave, I usually unrolled the white carpet for the weddings at the church.
I lived on Fairmount Ave betw. 14th and So. Orange. I had cousins "twins Rudy and Johnny " on same block that you lived on.
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frank wells 
Location:
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Monday, August 2, 2004 01:39 Host: cache-dtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com

seymour pierce and all the other young seniors out there, if you want to take a step back to the good ol' days go to www.radiolovers.com and you will hear for free, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Glenn miller,etc.
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Jule Spohn 
juliusjspohn@cs.com
Location:
Newark
Sunday, August 1, 2004 23:58 IP: 152.133.6.135 Send E-mail

NEWARK ON TERRORISTS LIST

Just as I was leaving for work this afternoon around 2pm Tom Ridge, Secretary Of Homeland Security, was on television announcing new specific terrorists threats against buildings in Washington, New York, and for the first time, Newark.

Seems like they have specific information that one of those buildings targated is the Prudential Insurance building on Broad Street. While watching the evening news shows I see that they have already set up police baracades in front of the building and have specialized units of police on all four corners of the building.

Who said that nothing exciting happens in Newark any more?

marytee:
Jule,
I pray to God that nothing happens there or any where with terrioism. It is enough to live daily knowing it is a possibility but the credibility of the threats according to Tom Ridge is alarming.
Stay safe Jule and everyone.

Mary Ellen:
Hi Jule, yes, its pretty scary these days. You dont know whats going to happen.Just hopeing that our leaders dont back down and dont put their heads in the sand like some other so called leaders in the past did.
marytee...I know your worried about Ted Jr...this has to be hard on you and your family. Know that we all think about you and Ted and Ted Jr. We pray for you and all the service people who are in harms way for us!

Nicky G:
Jules my freind you know what I think it`s nothing but talk that`s it
Not one thing he said till now happen so till he he show me he nose what he talking about

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Jule,
Good thing I stopped working at the court house. They were beingguarded by armed guards, so I was told. Also, I was at Hudson prison for the last few weeks...also went on alert and was locked down. I guess I'm stuck in the Highlands, overlooking Sandy Hook!!

rich:
Jule and all, my son ,Timmy, drove past the Pru after the announcement to " see what was going on". Metal barriers were up and machine gun armed Policemen were on the sidewalks around the Prudential. I told him that this was not a time or place to satisfy one's curiosity!Ah,youth.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Rich. Just like your son, I drove past the Pru building at 1 am this morning after I got off duty at the hospital. The place was loaded with police vehicles and they were setting up the baracades.
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Mary Ellen 
maryehowley@yahoo.com
Location:
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Sunday, August 1, 2004 18:21 Host: svcr-216-37-167-4.ppp.svcr.epix.net Send E-mail

Hi Jule....I am very happy to hear that your neighbors are friendly. Thats the kind of story I love to hear about. But to have good neighbors...YOU have to be one too and of course you surely are! Thanks for letting me know because while I am a positive person what I hear alot is negativity so this is very good to know.
I was trying to picture Van Wagenen St and Summer Ave...you sent me some pictures so I can see that they are pretty much the same way they were back then. Thanks again Jule!!!!!
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Henry Riccio 
hriccio@bellatlantic.net
Location:
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Sunday, August 1, 2004 18:10 Host: pool-141-153-253-92.mad.east.verizon.net Send E-mail

Nick D:

Unless I overlooked someone else's answer to your question regarding the name of that shoe store near the corner of Smith Street and South Orange Ave, (the place that sold Buster Brown Shoes)...the name just suddenly popped into my head: HOLIDAY SHOES. If I hadn't remembered, my Mom most certainly would have.

Theresa:
i cant believe you remembered it! That was driving me crazy all weekend because it was on the tip of my tongue since saturday night. You and nick certainly have better memories from our childhood than i do!
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seymour pierce 
gitsey@msn.com
Location:
new jersey
Sunday, August 1, 2004 17:05 Host: dialup-4.186.171.135.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net Send E-mail

To the YOUNG seniors out there in old Newark computerland. Do any of you remember the days of the BIG bands ,when Goodman, Dorseys , Shaw, Ellington, Lombardo, Webb, were the main musicologists. Late 1930s into the 1940s. There were a few hotbeds of "jitterbugging" . Clinton Ave ,the Sugar Bowl . Park Bench, Bloomfield Ave area. Millmans out door juke box at Weequahic Park . Any ex-dancers, still dancing, or friends listening ? please write .

Nicky G:
Seymour my friend remembering those places you just said I guess that make me and old or maybe in between you are right my friend remember all of themThose were the good days I think Millmans I like the most

Joyce:
Hi Seymour:
Since I left Newark at 11yrs. old, I do not remember these places. However, I do remember, and still love, Dorseys, Goodman, Shaw, Ellington, Lombardo, Webb, and of course The Mills Brothers. I still have my dad's old 78'. That was real music!!!

MARGARET JOOST:
I REMEMBER SEEING ALL THE OLD BIG BANDS IN THE 30S. I HAD SOME DUTCH CLOGS WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND BENNY GOODMAN AUTOGRAPHED THEM FOR ME.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I NO LONGER HAVE THEM. BUT WWII INTERVENED AND THOSE THINGS BECAME SO UNIMPORTANT AS WE SAW ALL OF OUR MEN GO OFF TO WAR.

MARGARET JOOST:
BY THE WAY, MY DAUGHTER WAS HOSTESS TO GUY LOMBARDO AT THE NIXON INAUGURATION.

Fred Petrozzi:
Hello Joyce,
Just to let you know that there are programs available for your PC that will enable you to convert your 78's to CD's

Joyce:
Fred, do you happen to know of a name of a program or two which will convert 78 records to CD's? I'm not that computer literate.

seymour:
Its Seymour again! Did I mention . ? My class prom for graduation, So. Side ,June 1938. We went to the Cotton Club in Manhattan . Duke Ellington was appearing. Remember his big hits ."I dont want to set the world on fire, I just want to start a flame in your heart" ! also the standard "Take the A train ". And too many more to mention. Ah! those were the days my friends !

Fred Petrozzi:
Joyce, I use a program call EZ Audio, from Sony. I purchased it at J&R electronics. They have an online catalog, and ordering by phone.
You could first try Circuit City stores. Thats where I first heard about it, they were out of them and recommended J&R.
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MYLES KELLY 
pscrane@comcast.net
Location:
union,n.j.
Sunday, August 1, 2004 15:53 Host: pcp09807200pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net Send E-mail

I KNOW I ASKED IF ANYONE KNEW SAM AND FLO FROM THE SHERRY HILL/TRIANGLE BARS. MOSTLY ALOT OF FIREMAN OR POLICE FROM THE 50S OR 60S WOULD KNOW THE TRIANGLE,THEN THEY BOUGHT THE SHERRY HILL IN IRVINGTON. I WORKED THERE FOR MANY YEARS WHILE GOING TO SCHOOL.EVERY MORNING THEY HAD THE NIGHT SHIFT GUYS FROM THE BREWERYS COME IN,MAINLY PABST...EVEN RHEINGOLD...

Jule Spohn:
Hello Myles. Was the Triangle Bar over on West Market Street by St. Joseph's and the firehouse? If that's the place, then many of my Spohn cousins used to hang out there in the 50's and 60's. They lived not too far away on Morris Ave.

Rich S.:
If I remember right, the Triangle was on Springfield Ave, I believe on the corner of 19th Ave. I remember Sam back in the 60's. Used to stop there after work (sometimes during) sic.

MYLES:
FROM MYLES,YES RICH IT WAS ON SPRINGFIELD AVE. NO ONE TOUCHED IT DURING THE RIOTS FOR SAM STAYED INSIDE WITH MANY OF COP FRIENDS. I LEARNED TO SHOOT POOL THERE AND THE SHERRY-HILL(SAMS 2ND PLACE),NICE TO KNOW SOMEONE REMEMBERED MY UNCLE...THANKS RICH
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Nicky G 
Location:
Bradenton Fl
Sunday, August 1, 2004 14:47 Host: dialup-4.247.251.127.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Being it`s so slow in here this weekend I hope everybody out haveing a good time at the beach or some place like that me being a big baseball fan I`ll be heading for the Trop in about two hrs after church that is and seeing the Devil Rays
After wacthing the Yankee game on TV yesterday it looks like it`s very up there

Ron Hayes:
Good Morning Nicky ole buddy,how is the golf game going are you still playing?The game up here today will be rained out thanks alot for sending your Florida weather up here yea I know you got a dome down there,hope your rays do ok today,I was glad to see Zambrano traded to the Mets now he can hit the batters in the national league for a change. Nick have a great day will talk again soon The Keansburg Kid.

marytee:
have a great time at the game Nicky-
enjoy the peace and quiet of home for today.
It is raining slightly here but it doesn't keep us in.

Nicky G:
Mr hays your right about that 72 at all times The Mets could have him with my good wishers rain here yet but we don`````t worry got to go
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Joan 
Location:
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Thursday, July 29, 2004 17:53 Host: user92.07014.com

Today I read an obit in the Star Ledger.
Rose Rafanello passed away at the home of her daughter Mary Ellen. Also surviving is John her son.
The Rafanello's owned and operated Rafanello's Florist on South Orange Avenue in Newark for many years. My father worked for them way back. I think anyone from that area will remember the Florist shop, Mary Ellen and John.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Joan. Sorry to hear about her death. I lived a block away from them on South 12th Street and I went to school with Mary Ellen. I'll read the obit tonight when I get home.

Joan Niven:
Hi Jule,
Yes, I remember that you went to school with Mary Ellen. St. Antonitus and St. James? I spoke with my 93 year old mother tonight. She remanissed about my father working for Andy Rafanello and when he needed transportation Andy would loan him the delivery truck.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Joan. That's what they did in the old days - neighbors helping neighbors. Try that today. Most people don't even know most of their neighbors. My father was a truck driver for Acme. I can't remember how many people he moved over the years. He was a big, strong, man. Many was the time when I saw him put a rope around a refrigerator and walk up a flight or two carrying it on his chest. Back in the 40's and 50's when he needed a couple of extra bucks he would "simonize" the cars for some of our neighbors who had them. We didn't have our first car till the late 40's. Heck, today you can't even find a kid, or a homeless adult, or anyone else for that matter, to shovel the snow for you.

Mary Ellen:
Hi Joan, I too am sorry about the passing of Mrs Rafanello.While I never knew her or her family, I send my condolances to them.
Jule, how right you are. I have told you about what it was like in the neighborhood that you live in right now. We ALL knew our neighbors...they were family to us.Here in Pa...most of the time the neighbors are not friendly...and it was hard to adjust to that kind of life.At first they thought I was nuts because I was always saying hello and trying to make friends...but then I realized that its not Newark, the way it once was! I know if I lived there now...I still wouldnt know my next door neighbor except for you Jule. And Joan, my brothers name is John and I am Mary Ellen.

Fred Petrozzi:
Joan, was your dad, Frank Daniels?. I too worked for Raffanello and Daniels when they were on 14th near Bergen, on So Orange,
they were on cor of Fairmount.

Judie:
Hi: I knew someone named Sal Rafanello, who had something to do with a florist, does anyone know who he was?

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. The neighbors here on Van Wagenen Street are still just like you remember. Nationalities are different but the neighborliness is the same. Here's what I mean. I am the only "white" person on the block. All the rest of my neighbors are Hispanic - one one side of me from Equador and on the other side from Puerto Rich. The house on the corner of Van Wagenen and Summer Ave they are from Portugal. Two houses down they are from the Dominican Republic, and so on down the street. Most of them now are second and third generation Americans. There is one elderly couple about five or six houses down from me who don't speak english very well, but I speak enough spanish to get by and I always say Buenos Dias, Como Esta Usted, etc. in Spanish and they love me.
Last Christmas Eve the couple next door, from Equador, came over and asked me that if I had nothing to do on Christmas Day then why not come over and have dinner with them. The snow fall that we had in Feb the new neighbors next door - from Puerto Rich - had already shoveled my sidewalk before I had even gotten out of bed. The neighbors two doors down - from the Dominican Republic - come over several times during the summer and bring me cabages and tomatoes from their yard.
This summer, so far, I have had a wonderful bunch of roses and lillies. I made small bouquets and gave them to these neighbors and they loved them.

Yes indeed, Newark is not what it used to be, but there are still some wonderful neighbors to be had - something that is missing in many communities through out this country.
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Mike Farley 
rmfarley@juno.com
Location:
Vailsburg
Thursday, July 29, 2004 16:18 IP: 207-172-248-173.c3-0.eas-ubr5.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com Send E-mail

In response to a question about the curent use of the former Burns Funeral Home, it is now a preschool center operated by Unified vailsburg Services organization(UVSO). UVSO also owns the former Howard Bank at the corner of South Orange and Sanford, the former Murphy properties at 480 and 484 Sanford, and the former shoe store at the corner of Smith Street and South Orange Avenue. All of the buildings have been or will be restored for a variety of service uses including doctors offices, home health care offices, job training classrooms, and early childhood education. UVSO built a new preschool in the former parking lot of the Howard Bank along Smith Street in 2003. The organization's goal in this work is to stabilize the major intersection in Vailsburg by creating a well-used hub for local services. UVSO is a thirty-two year-old community based agency that offer a wide range of human services programs to Vailsburg residents of all ages. the agency serves over six hundred people a day, and has built or restored over seventy houses on streets throughout Vailsburg.
The agency offices are at 40 Richelieu Terrace, and the website is uvso.org
uvso.org. The switchboard number is 973-374-2000.

Nick:
Hi Mike,
Which corner of Smith and South Orange Ave was the shoe store? The now vacant lot was once PAMS Ice Cream, across Smith St was Kappy's Mens Store. Across SOA from Kappys was the sub shop, and across SOA from Pams was something....was that the shoe store?

Frank Harrison:
It is very reassuring to see these properties contrbuting to Vailsburg's renaissance.

Burn's Funeral Home was a classy, upscale business in the 60;s. With Sacred Heart, Howard Savings and Marquier's they provided the anchor to Vailsburg's center

I'm glad to hear out their website and hope to contitbute..
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Barb 
Location:
N.J.
Thursday, July 29, 2004 06:17 IP: 183.newark-07rh15rt.nj.dial-access.att.net

I want to thank everyone for the well wishes:-) :-)
Richie came home yesterday. Is doing well. He is very tired.
Congratulations to Kayla Elizabeth
Beautiful name.
We have a Kayla Marie and Grace Elizabeth :-)

The reunion is on November 13th.
I don't know if they have a web site or not.
The flyers should be sent out by September.
Home to see alot of you there :-) :-)
All my friends from chat room.We have to get it going again,
mmmary I see you know my girlfriend Paula from west Palm Beach.

Mary Ellen:
Hi Barb and Richie, thank the Lord! This is certainly good news! We care for you and we prayed for you both.
Hope to see you in the chat room. It was pretty much filled last night, altho my computer froze up alot and I just gave up! But untill then, it was a live wire!!! See you 7 ish? Thanks for the good news!!!

Janice:
Barb:Very glad to hear about Richie. Having the other half in the hospital is rough on all involved. Kayla also came home yesterday and is doing great, I can't wait to meet her!!

Glenn:
It's great that Richie is home again!!

Nicky G:
Barb my friend that is very good news like I said nothing happens to good people don`t know Rich but I know he`s good people.
We might see you down here yet have a good day my friend

Mary Ray:
Barb:wonderful new's about Richie.Paula and I both went to Blessed Sacrament CYO.We plan to meet for lunch and go over old times.If you move to Florida sure hope it's on the East Coast near us.Talk soon on chat.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb. That's good news. Glad to hear it. Hope all goes well from here on.

CT:
Hi Barb,
Your Richie got tons of good wishes and prayers. So glad to know he is on the mend!
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Nicky G 
Location:
Bradenton FL
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 18:51 Host: dialup-4.247.170.105.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Marytee Janice HELP can`t get out of this house and when Nicky G can`t play golf or get the pool he`s hard to live with plus a pain to my wife if she could can`t get away and go see the kids because it wouldn`t do any good we all live with in three miles of each other
i SAVE MONEY THIS WAY BUT NOT ON sUNDAY BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL HERE GETTING THERE FREE MEAL

SO HELP ME MY FRIENDS

marytee:
Nicky-if ya can't beat em-join em------lolol
NO GOLF__--that is a day without sunshine--
HAve fun Nicky-

Janice:
Sometimes even three miles is good! I'm always sending my other half to my son's--just so I can get some peace and quiet!!Good Luck

Barb:
Hi Nicky are plans a going back on for Fla.
Richie has to visit the grandkids in between half times of nascar and foot ball when in seasons..and he's Grumpy. It must be a man thing
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Diane 
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re post 793. As was stated all the stores are open not sure if 10:00 AM or
12:00 PM is opening time. If you'd like I can call a store to find out for you.
In any event I suggest you get here Early
for a decent parking spot. We even have a Quiznos now! How yuppie can you get!

Caroline:
Hi Diane,
Thank you for suggesting that I get there early. It always has been hard to get a parking spot Downneck, on a Sunday with stores open it will be even harder.
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Mary Ray Beggio 
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We can all take one small step for the preservation of our Cemeteries.In 02 I called the ones that hold my family graves some dating to the early 1800"s.I asked to be named caretaker for the Doyle Farley--Gilson Reynolds Plots and to be informed of any desecration etc. to these graves.My request was well received.There are no formes to fill out and no cost to you.We need to let them know we care.My daughter will take over when I pass on then her daughter on down the line.Please pick up the phone TODAY .
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Caroline 
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Hi,
Does anyone know if most of the stores on Ferry St. are open on Sundays? I need to shop there and the only day I can go is a Sunday. In the past I'd go on a week day. Thanks.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. Yes indeed, all of the stores are open on Sunday. It is always a great day to walk up and down Ferry Street. Stop in any one of the great restaurants down there for lunch or dinner.

Manny:
Hi Caroline,

When I was in Newark two years ago, I was on Ferry Street on a Sunday. Most of the stores, as Jule said, are open. These would include most of the general mercantile shops, bakeries and restaurants. The shops that are closed include the produce and fish markets, and quite possibly the furniture stores, from what I remember.

Caroline:
Hi July and Manny,
Thank you for the information. Some things you can only find in neighborhood stores. So, I'm looking forward to my trip to Ferry St.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. I don't know if you have any plans for lunch down neck but as a suggestion, my favorite restaurant down there is the Spanish Tavern on the corner of McWhorter and Green Streets. The food is out of this world. If possible, ask to sit in the upstairs dining room - just for the ambiance. Enjoy!!!

P.S. Any of their fish dinners are great.

Caroline:
Hi Jule,
The last time I was at the Spanish Tavern was over 25 years ago. When I worked for the Board of Education while it was still located behind City Hall, the Spanish Tavern was one of our favorites. It's good to know it is still there. Thank you for the suggestion.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. You are right - they go back a long time - I think to the 60's. They also have another place out on Rte 22 near Westfield. Haven't been there though in many years.

Manny:
Jule and Caroline:

Another great Spanish restaurant is Fornos of Spain. I believe it's located at the corner of Ferry Street and Union, just to the east of Penn Station. It's a five-star restaurant. There is another Fornos located in Spain, but the one in Newark is closer.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Manny. You are right - Forno's is another great restaurant. Also, right across the street from there is Iberia Penninsula - another great restaurant. There are so many great restaurants, and stores, down neck that it would take years of weekend visits to hit them all. We are really lucky here in Newark to have such great places to dine.
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I've just created a new section entitled Photo Essays

The first entries are:

The Last Days of the Hoffmann/Pabst Plant

Newark & Vicinity from the Air (Recommended for Dial Up Modems)

Newark & Vicinity from the Air (Recommended for Cable Modems & 1024 X 768 Resolution)

The Desecration of Woodland Cemetery

Jule Spohn:
Nice job Glenn. Seeing the desecration of Woodland Cemetery makes my blood boil. The sad part is that none of the human animals who did this will ever be prosecuted.

Mary Ellen:
Good job Glen...so sad about the Cemetery...rotten kids today. Seems no one taught them values or respect. We are in big trouble because they are our future and from what we see now...we are doomed! Of course we dont hear of the very good kids...and they ARE there...its the bad ones who make the news sorry to say!
Jule knows the cemetery I refer to. The Mt Pleasent Ave CEmetery. As teens we use to go in ther at night. Not late but it was dark. We got a thrill, creepy as they were, to be in such a scary place. But NEVER did we ever do damage to anything! Never! The difference is that we had respect even tho we were where we were'nt suppose to be. It was teen age silliness...but we got over being dorks and that was that.
Jule...I dont blame you for feeling as you do. I told my husband how you feel about certain people and situations. You are so very right in your feelings and I am sure alot of us feel the same way.
I dont know where the Woodland Cemetery is...has it been cleaned up? I hope so.

Nicky G:
Glenn all I could you are good I don`t how you you do it I`ll never know Thank you they are great

Nat Bodian:
Glenn:

This cemetery desecration is outrageous. It would appear that this cemetery has been abandoned and has no responsible caretaker. There must be some Newark city body that should be concerned about abandoned cemeteries and provide some degree of maintenance. Where is the voices of the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of those who lie buried there? This is a city desecration that cries for someone's attention.

-- Nat

Jule Spohn:
Helo Mary Ellen and everyone. This cemetery is the burrying grounds for over 80,000 of Newark's first German families. It is located on 10th Street just off of Springfield Ave in what today is a terrible neighborhood.

These are not recent desecrations. This sad story began shortly after the Newark riots of 1967 and still continues to this day. The powers to be at City Hall have been aware of this problem for years and have done nothing to help it. I even sent the Mayor and every council person a letter about six months ago asking for help to save the very beautiful Victoria Gate House on the property and I never received a reply from any one of them. They are all part of the problem - they have looked the they other way ever since the riots about the destruction of the "Old Newark" that we all came from. Their exucse is "It's not my history." This type of attitude continues to this day. The animal that knocked off the heads of, and destroyed the rest, of the religious statues, and the statue of the Pilgrim and Indian at Washington Park made this same excuse when he was caught last year - "It's not my religion." By the way, I keep hearing that "they are working on repairing the statue of the Pilgrim and Indian" but so far, after almost a year and a half, nothing has been done - typical from this administration.

Six months or so ago I sent the Mayor a letter asking him to have the memorial over in Shifflin (sp?) park over on Elizabeth Ave cleaned up and a new flag placed on top of it. I got the typical nice letter from the Mayor with the usual comment that he has forwarded my letter to the proper department to handle it, but, as usual, nothing gets done. Yet, they cancelled this years 4th of July celebrations here in Newark because they didn't have the money, but found $20,000 or so to throw a party for Councilman Donald Tucker "for his years of service to this city."

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Glenn,
I also must commend you! I don't know how you do it, but WOW!! You do take some fantastic pictures, and those aerials... COOL! I just can't say enough about your work.

Nick

Webmaster:
Nick,

Those aerials are from YOU! is that a touche`? : )

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Glenn,
Um, I guess it is! Want another tour Saturday? This one will be cleaner and a lot shorter, I promise.

Nick

Manny:
I found the cemetery photos to be truly disgusting, but not surprising, given the nature of the community where the cemetery is located.

Jule: Going to City Hall with cemetery complaints may be a waste of time.

I'd try the New Jersey Cemetery Board, which is located right there in Newark.

Its address is 124 Halsey St., P.O. Box 45036, Newark, N.J., 07101. Phone number is 973-504-6553.

This agency's mission is to oversee all of the trust fund monies set aside for the mainenance and preservation of cemeteries.

Barb L. Rothschild:
These photos are outrageous. Newark will never be one tenth of what it was, as long as animals like those who desecrated the cemetery continue to live there. I, for one, unfortunately would like to see all the powers that be who had a hand in the destruction of Newark, fall flat on their faces. Let the savages roam the jungle they have created, until they perish.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Manny and everyone. The sad story of this cemetery is that there is "a board of trustees" to the place. I understand that even one of the members of the Haeberly & Barth Funeral Directors is on that Board. They are, and have been, well aware of this desecration from the git go and have done very little about it. They clean up the cemetey once a year, as they did in June, when family members, under police escort, come to pay their respect to their deceased members, but that's about it for the rest of the year. When I first went there in the early spring there were a pack of wild dogs roaming around the place. Needless to say, I didn't get out of my car.

The suppossedly "care-taker" of the cemetery for the past several years is Sandy Epstein who is the caretaker of the Jewish Cemeteries here in Newark. The Jewish cemetery on South Orange Ave and 20th Street is also in terrible disrepair, but the one on South Orange Ave and Grove Street is in a little better shape. As far as I am concerned, he could be doing a much better job of taking care of these cemeteries than he does.

From what I understand, several years ago they "buried over" the graves of the children who wre burried in a certain area many, many, years ago, with bodies of the homeless people. That is also a disgrace that no one takes responsibility for.

Take a look at this site on oldnewark under cemeteries, and then click on to Woodland Cemetery. There you will see a nice story of the history of the place, photo's of the beautiful old Victorian Gate house which I am trying to save, and more photo's of the destruction of the tombstones.

m:
I too am appalled and saddened by the condition of Woodland Cemetery.

I am also perplexed by the appearance of the grass in many of the photos in that is not high. I presume that the photos were taken recently. Who is cutting the grass?

Margaret

Veronica:
In the early 1950s, I lived on Chadwick Ave., across from Woodland Cementary,and I had a friend who lived on 10th St. at the other end of the cemetary. Almost daily, we would cut through Woodland to visit each other. It was beautifully maintained, and all the children in the area were very respectful of the cemetary.
Those pictures are a disgrace!!

Joyce Myers:
I too found the Woodland Cemetery photos disgraceful. My husband and I went there about 4 years ago, and the grass on the upper part was knee deep. Couldn't even see the headstones. The grass below was cut. We went to the office, and a man with a can of beer in hand, answered the door. He gave me directions to the gravesite I was looking for. Sending a letter to the powers that be will do no good. But perhaps a letter to the editor of the Star Ledger might.

Webmaster:
Everything that Jules has said is correct. There are on going law suits over the condition and the over burials. The pictures that are posted were taken by me at this years "Safe Day" that is organized by Mary Lish. Mary and Agnes Wolf have done a lot to get the cemetery to this condition. Prior to their efforts, the cemetery was totally overgrown and littered with trash. And yes, the grass was cut and the cemetery cleaned up the day before this year's "Safe Day".

Quint:
We lived a block away from Woodland Cemetery. My grandmother, my aunt and my mom used to take walks through the cemetery on Sunday aftermoon, after church. My cousins and I were pretty young then and we would accompany the ladies from time to time. At that time the cemetery was beautifully maintained. I remember the ladies stopping from time to time looking at certain headstones, remembering their friends who were buried there by saying a quiet prayer. These were graves of German immigrants who came from the "old country" about the same time my family did. It breaks my heart to see the desecration but I will always have the beautiful memories.

CT:
Just looked at the Woodland Cemetery pictures and its truly heartbreaking and beyond disgusting. No decent human being would do something like that, obviously its the work of Animals! ugly ugly animals.

Mary Ellen:
Hi Glenn...I hope what I wrote wasnt inapropriate If it was...I am sorry. Sometimes I think I am getting a message across and I'm not.Thanks to all of you who had a say...at least we all are in agreement aout what animals are doing.

CT:
MaryEllen
I think you did just fine. Don't doubt yourself, you have opinions and feelings about everything and they matter. We all have the right to express how we feel. I think you were right on base ! ..and eloquently so.
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Janice Riker 
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It's official!!! Kayla Elizabeth O'Connell arrived at St. Peter's last nite in time for dinner. She weighed in at 6lbs 14 oz.(same birthweight as Mom).She's # 6 grandbaby for Janice and Tom.

Mary Ellen:
CONGRATULATIONS!!! How nice !!! I like her name too! Grandbaby # 6 eh? Family is growing isnt it!!!
I am HAPPY for you ALL!!! Congrats to the mom and dad...bye for now

Joyce Myers:
Hi Janice. I'm new to this website, but want to add my congratulations on the birth of #6. We had our 6th one year ago, and it was just as exciting as the first. "Welcome to our world, Kayla Elizabeth O'Connell." Love the name.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice. CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Janice and Tom:
Thank you all!!

Nicky G:
Janice and I don`t Tom But Congratulations to you and Grandpa you know the old say everything that is good is worth wai ting for so in joy it my friend is this a Toms River baby or what

Janice:
Hey Nicky, Not a shore baby--they live in Dayton, near New Brunswick. But she still has a little of Newark running in those veins.Grandpa tom is thrilled as am I.

Marytee:
Congratulations to you BOTH!
I enjoy my Grandchildren too so I can understand your excitement AND_ her name is that of my Grand-Daughters!
So ya know we think it is a wonderful name too-
Best of all, she is healthy!
Thanks for sharing JAnice and Tom
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seymour pierce 
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Information Please !Civics 101. Newarkers , as well as the rest of Americans are part of this wonderful election process. I left High School Civics class about65 years ago. From some of the youngsters , I need an answer to a question or where to get an answer. Can a naturalized citizen be elected as Vice President. ? If yes , would he/ she be in the line of progression ? Knowing that we can only elect a "natural born ".

Chuck Herman:
No you must be born in the US or on US land such as a US embassy overseas to become vice president

Quint:
Veep had to be a native born american, 35 years of age and have lived in the US for 14 years, I believe. He is selected by the Presidential candidate to be his running mate and is voted on separtately from the candidates for president by Electors or the electoral college.

Jack Keegan:
seymore,

Read last sentence, amendment number twelve in the US constitution.

TOMMY"O":
SEYMOUR..PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT MUST BE NATIVE BORN...THE ONLY EXCEPTION IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES WERE THE FIRST FIVE PRESIDENTS...WHO WERE NOT BORN IN THE U.S.

seymour pierce:
Jack Keegan and all. Thanks for the refresher in Civics 101.The VP must meet all qualifications as the President ! I went to amendment # 12 and it all came back to me Thanks.
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Nat Bodian 
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Attention Old Newark 'Guestbookers":

In the course of writing my numerous Old Newark memories, I have often turned to the New Jersey Information Center of the Newark Public Library for help in tracking down a needed fact. Without fail, they have always come through with
the exactly-right information.

This is by way of publicly acknowledging on the Old Newark Guestbook
their wonderful help over time, and also to let you know that when you seek a missing fsct related to Newark, you can count on njreference@npl.org for help.

-- Nat Bodian
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Nicky G 
Location:
Bradenton FL
Monday, July 26, 2004 20:08 Host: dialup-4.247.251.57.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Marytee my friend did you move in the same erea or are you down here in the rain country.
Haven`t seen Janice on Old Newark She much of went to New Jersay to take care of the new little one

Janice:
Nope, I'm still here in this heat. Nothing going on up there yet.Just false labor this morning. She's gonna be a stubborn little polish kid! Just like her momma!!Send some of that rain over to Volusia county!

marytee:
I am still in the same area Nicky-just got a bit if rain today but more would be nice.
Janice ahs been here--and she confirmed it !!
Any sun cruz trips yet?

marytee:
NO-we are in the same area Nicky---convienve has us -lolol.
Gettin some of the rain now. Janice-are you waiting on a grand baby or is this your's?
Either way, hope everything goes well-let us know!
Any Sun Cruz coming up Nicky??

Nicky G:
Marytee my friend no cruise till September then I got a four day one down Freeport. Got to do all this stuff befor I get to old guess what it`s raining sold my car geting a boat

Marytee:
Good for you Nicky-----
HAve fun with the new toy--
HAve you gone to Freeport before? I have wondered about it but I got so much negative feedback?-Clue me in-PLEASE!
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Quint 
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J.M.

Back in message 748 you asked what Ralph Villani, the teacher, wrote in his letter to the editor. It was quite a while ago but as I recall, Ralph was articulating the Teachers Association position on a particular local issue that had been raised or reported on in a previous edition of The Desert Sun. I believe he is an elected representative of the Teachers Association.
Hope this helps.

J.M.:
Hi Quint
Thank you for the info. Ralph is my cousin. I was curious about what he wrote. He is a rep for the teachers association. Thank you. He also grew up downneck.
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Barb,

Sorry to hear Richie is in the hospital. Tell him I, John (Scherlock) Mc Evoy said hello. How is his brother? I think his name Brian? Keep me/us up to date on the Nov 13 reunion. Thanks.
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Tony DiGiesi 
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Hallo All:
Chez!! time flys the 50th reunion of West Side High school has past for a month already.
Anyway a great time was had and the pictures were posted by Dom Orifice at the Web Site. Thanks to all who showed up and to those special people who worked so hard to put it together Dom And Jane especially.
It was great to see a lot of my classmated from WSHS. Hope the rest of you all go to your reunions when they come due. You won't regret it....
Tony D. :eek:
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Nicky G 
Location:
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Sunday, July 25, 2004 13:59 Host: dialup-4.247.251.81.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Ron H They got us last night but the boss said they will win to night
It`s got to be big we got them three nights in row down here. have a good night my friend
Got go to church and say a few words for Rich

marytee:
Nicky-are you keeping all the rain down there as we have none here lately------

Nicky G:
Hi Marytee didn`t hear from I thought you were in Hawaii or some place
Boy do we nave the rain down here

Mary Ellen:
Hi marytee...good to see you again! Hows things going?
Believe it or not...I feel fall coming and I smell it too! I know its July but its pretty cool in the morning...not summer cool either. Hope we dont have a bitter winter like the last several we have had in recent years! Hello to Ted 1.

MArytee:
Not so lucky Nicky-MOVED so this is why I was absent.So glad this is done.
How are you doing? There is some good reading here!
HI MAryEllen-got a computer huh-good to see you also!
Sure hope Richie is better and that BArbara is hanging in there?

Mary Ellen:
Hey marytee...no new computer...this one is the only one we have had. Its ready to go to sleep again .Marty says he spoke to you...Ted too of course.
I hear great things are happening in Newark...and maybe one day we will go to where we grew up and check out some places we use to frequent. Right now tho, Marty isnt ready to take a chance. He is afraid we will get hurt. Bye for now!
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CT (Carol) 
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Hi MaryE,
yes I have finally gotten this mess of a computer working again..sure missed everyone I tried to get into chat but couldn't....Will be reading posts and putting 2 cents in as long as this rotter of a machine lets me! same time chat room ? love to all.... :D

Mary Ellen:
HI Carol...welcome back pal! We all missed you alot! To be honest, we cant seem to be at the same place and the same time. For me....about 7 is fine but usually no one is there. LAter is too late for me as I go to bed early. We will get to a mutual time and get together like we use to! See you!!!
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Mary Ellen 
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Mary Ray Beggio!!!! Thank you!!! I knew there was an enterance on Broad St...Ithe building wasnt there long when I left Newark, but I can remember going past it when I worked on Central Ave many years ago. This was about 1962 or so. I also can remember paying $60.00 a month for renting a one bdrm apt...on MT Prospect Ave which was still pretty nice too!
Jule, I am older then you are so some of my memories are before your time. You young whipper snapper you!!!
Not that I question what you say but my file cabinet in my head tells me otherwise some times!
Most of the rents in Newark and Belleville are so high, I dont know how people live there! I got a paper from Belleville and I was shocked at the prices...for sure we couldnt afford to live there!
Thanks Mary Ray....and YOU too Jule!

Nicky G:
Mary Ellen the only one I know that got money they tell me is you
THey say in the chat room that you could buy Newark and Belleville with out put a dent in your bank book my friend
And if your older than me it`s not by much my friend.

Mary Ellen:
HAHA NIckyG...ever hear of the church mouse...we are best friends! (the old saying, poor as a church mouse)! My next birthday I will be 65...not old...not young!! Just right if you ask me!!!
Have a good night! And thanks for the giggle NickyG

Mary Ellen:
CT....Your Back!!!! I am so happy to see you!
Looked in the chat room but you left. Please write to me or send me a post letting me know how you are!!! OK? bye for now :O)

Mary Ray:
Mary Ellen: You are welcome,I wonder if it's possible the three of us are right,could thay have closed the Board St.entrance after we left town ? Our first apt.on Broadway across from the woodside Diner cost 42 dollars a monthin 1957.Sorry you are priced out of Belleville I would be in the same boat.Then again we could ask Nicky G.for a loan.

Nicky G:
Mary Ellen my friend I said you younger when I was 65 I had a lot more hair and I was hitting a golf a lot longer what I happen I don`t known but you know the old saying your as young as you feel.
So stay young my friend

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen and everyone. It is possible that there might have been an entrance on Broad Street when they first built the buildings but I don't remember it. Here is what Broad Street looks like today - was it the same when you were here? If you are coming north on Broad Street and just pass the old Plume Huse, which is attached to the Episcopal Church, the Colonnade Apt sits up on the hill. Today there is no driveway going up there. The sidewalk continues all along that part of the street and where it makes the bend to meet with Bloomfield Ave there is a Burger King there. The sidewalk continues to wrap all around the block onto 7th Ave.

Back in the 70's or 80's when they built the roadway for Hwy 280 right along side of the Plume House they might have cut off whatever driveway there might have been going up to the Colonnade Apts.

I haven't been called a "young whipper snapper" in many a year. You made my day.
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Nicky G 
Location:
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Saturday, July 24, 2004 17:01 Host: dialup-4.247.251.198.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net

Going back to #773 who is this Jerry from 14th ave and 6th st do I know you my friend hung out on So Orange and 6 st I know this not JERRY THE FIRE MAN RIGHT

Carol "O":
Hi Barb,
My prayers are with you and Richie. Wishing a quick recovery.
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BARB 
Location:
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Saturday, July 24, 2004 13:42 IP: 245.newark-06-08rs.nj.dial-access.att.net

HI EVERYBODY,
JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW RICHIE IS IN THE HOSPITAL.
HE WILL BE THERE FOR AWHILE. HE HAS HIGH FEVER AND NEUMONIA.
WILL KEEP UPDATED

marytee:
HI Barb!
While we do not know each other personally , I want to tell you that I am sorry to hear about your Richie. I will keep him in my prayers.
Please keep us all updated and take care of yourself too.

Ron Hayes:
Barbara,I hope Richie gets well soon please keep me up to date and try not to worry,remember he's a downnecker with DNA he will beat this.All my best to him for a speedy recovery.

Bill Russo:
Hello Barb
Hope everything gets better for Richie. Keep us all updated.
Prayers
Bill

Nicky G:
Barb my friend sorry to hear about Rich he will be okay When I go to church I`ll talk to the big guy for you he look out for all good people

Mary Ray Beggio:
Barb:My best wishes and prayers go with you both.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Barb,
Maybe some Calamari from Krug's will help..I'll even go pick it up for him!

I'll keep him in my prayers too.
Nick

Mary Ellen:
Barb, wow...I am sorry that he is so ill. He will be in my prayers and you too. Hang in there!

CT:
Hi Barb,
Its been a long time since I could get back to Old Newark, so sorry to see that Richie is
sick...you have my prayers ...hope to "chat" again
with all soon

TOMMY"O":
WISHING..ALL THE BEST...FOR RICH

Joyce Myers:
Hi Barb.
We've only chatted a couple of times, but I would also like to send you good wishes for Richie's speedy recovery.

Joyce Myers:
Hi Barb.
We've only chatted a couple of times, but I would also like to send you good wishes for Richie's speedy recovery.

seymour pierce:
Barb. to Richie, Get well and stay well ! Best Wishes for a speedy recovery !

Glenn:
Wishing Richie a speedy recovery!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb. I hope Richie gets well soon and hurries back to oldnewark. Give him our best.

Carol "O":
I posted in the wrong place.
Hi Barb,
Wishing Rich a quick recovery and my prayers are with you both.
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Does anyone out there know if there will be a downneck reunion this year? The last one was two years ago this coming Oct. or Nov. held at Iberia Restaurant on Ferry St. If anyone has any information, please e mail me.Thanks.
Edna Mc Grath

BARB:
YES NOVEMBER 13 IS THE REUNION.
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Fred back in 773 Thank you for the name if it right or wrong I don`t know but thank you
As for for the son of Italy i`m about the only one from 14Ave
Nick D anything about money for the Old Newarkers Ron H take in charge of that for me take it up with him

Fred:
Nicky, the most prominent memories of Morris Ave, were the Bath House, Polaner's plant off So Orange

Nicky G:
Fred was at the bath house every day when I work on the projects in the frist ward remember in the old days we didn`t have any showeres. My mother only heat up the water for baths on Saturday
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Quint V:
I read the story of you and Jack Edwards. Where is he practicing in North Plainfield? I lived in NP from 1962-1998. I'd like to hear from him and talk about NP. Can you please give him my e-mail address. Thanks, Quint.
onca@accunet1st.net

Quint:
Joyce,
I sent your email address to Jack Edwards today.

Joyce:
Thank you, Quint.

Joyce:
Thank you, Quint.

Jack:
My Dear Friend Quint:
I just finished reading your thoughtful (and surprising) post in Old Newark Memories.
Thanks for blowing my cover!!
P.S. But much appreciated and very sweet of you.

Quint:
Jack,
Yours is a great success story!
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OUR LADY OF MOUNT CARMEL FESTIVAL

This past week, for the 114th year in a row, Our Lady Of Mount Carmel Church down neck has held it's annual Festival.

It began with Father Joseph Ambrosio, the Pastor, leading the procession through the streets, where once again, the people place money on the ribbons on the statue. The procession passed by, and stopped, at the homes of those parishoners where too sick or ill to come outside.

The church on Oliver Street, which was known as "The Little Cathederal Of Down Neck" originally had it's beginnings on Ferry Street. Back in the late 1800's the area surrounding the church on Ferry Street was very heavy polulated by first-generation Italians.

Back in 1975 services at the "old church" were ended and the building was sold.

Today, Our Lady Of Mount Carmel Church is surviving very well. The area is now made of of many different nationalities but the Italian festival continues with many ethnic groups coming together to enjoy it. The area today is made up of mostly Portuguese, Brazilians, Spanish, Mexicans, some Fillipinos, and those other "European-Americans" who never left the area.

Tony Lambiase:
I asked if anyone remembered the feast on an earlier note.
A little quiz, does anyone know what makes the difference between a church and a cathederal?

Phil Lynch:
The difference between a Church and Cathederal is that the Cathederal is the Seat of the Archbishop or Cardinal of the Archdiocese. Also I've been to many of the Our Lady of Mount Carmel Feasts in Newark. Now I go to the one in the Bronx also.

Jule Spohn:
A Cathederal takes it's name because of the "seat" of the Bishop. The Bishop's seat (chair) is called the Cathedra. It is like his throne. In the Basilica/Cathederal Of The Sacred Heart there is a very beautiful Cathedra to the left of the altar as you are looking at it.

Pat Miceli Haderthauer:
Just got back from vacation in North Carolina and saw this about the feast. I have many good memories of attending in years past. My grandparents house was on New York Avenue and Frank and I lived there when we first got married and I taught at Oliver St. School. A good dinner at the feast, a sausage sandwich, followed by a drink at the Spilingese Club on Adams Street...those were great times! I'm glad to see the church is still doing well.
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:confused: I am trying a new message.
Please refer to #596. I had entered some requests for info, and have not received any replies on my new
questions. Thanx!!!!

Glenn:
I was wondering if anyone knows the location of the "candy store" pictured on this site??? It also looks familiar.

What's the URL of the photo?


I am also looking for an old photo of the very large brewery located 'on the water' in Newark. My Grandfather used to walk to work there as a night watchman, from his home on S 20th St. I do not remember the name of it; but somehow I thought it was maybe Bud. Any responses would be a help.

Ballantine's was on the water.

Wasn't there a cemetary on S 20th St?

There's a Hebrew Cemetery on that street.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Glenn,
Ballantine would be an awful long walk from 20th Street. There were a few down on Canal Street...but also a long walk. Home Brewery was near the intersection of SOA and Springfield avenue...a few blocks south of the reservoiur, closest to them and near water. I know, a long shot...but still Ballantine??

Glenn:
I missed the walk to work part : (

Quint:
I don't remember any body of water that one could walk to from S 20th St.

Caroline Grossmann:
Hi,
About walking from 20th St: I think we tend to forget how far people were used to walking in past generations. It's quite possible that your grandfather walked from 20th St. to Ballantine's. I had an uncle who walked to work every day from Grove St. (near 18th Ave.) to Springfield Ave. (near Fairmount Ave.). During the snowstorm of 1948 no buses were running so to get home from work my mother walked from Western Electric in Kearny to Camden St. (near Springfield Ave.). It took her 4 hours because of the deep snow.

Manny:
Evelyn:

It's quite possible your grandfather may have walked to Harrison, which had a substantial brewery. It was near the Passaic River, across from the Ironbound.

The Harrison brewery first operated under the name of Hauck's, but then underwent a series of name changes until it finally went under in the mid-20th century.

Anyway, it was a lot shorter walk than to Ballantine's or Budweiser, which set up shop in Newark in 1951.

Fred P:
The Brewery located close to water might have been " Henslers'" and the water would have been
the Passaic River
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Hi Glenn,
Just curious...did you like the disc? See...this time I checked if you stopped in! I'm getting better.

Nick

Glenn:
Hello Nick,

I haven't had time to look at it yet. I will check it out tonight.
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We were talking down at the Son of Italy.
Question is I think this one is for the Historian of Old Newark
Nick D your to young
If I`m standing on Morris Ave and So Orange ave on the north east corner in we think about the 30`s there is a movies what was the name of this movies we can`t remember
I have my own Old Newark at the club down here

Webmaster:
Would it be the Congress Theatre?

Nicky G:
Glenn
The Congress was on So Orange and Camdem st That won I know was there all the time

Fred P:
Nicky, the name of the movie house was "The Arts Theater"

Fred P:
Hey Nicky
Any of the Old Newark boys from Fairmount Ave cor 14th ave

Nick D:
Hey Nicky,
That too young comment is gonna cost ya! I think $50 should cover it...send it to be care of Ron Hayes, Keansburg NJ. You don't need any more address than that, he could be the mayor in that town!!

Caroline Grossmann:
Hi Fred,
I wonder if you knew my step-father. For a while he lived on Fairmount Ave. right next to the Camden St. School playground. His name was Dominick Cocuzza and now he would be about 88 years old. He was the oldest of many children. If you didn't know him, maybe you knew his younger brothers: Roy and Sal. His best friend was Frank Tozzi. Did you know him?

Fred:
Caroline,I knew the family well, since I lived across the street from them,
I graduated WS with Josephine. Family was well respected in the neighborhood.
Are you related to the Grossmans' that owned a furniture store on Morris Ave
betw So Orange and 14th Aves.

Caroline:
Hi Fred,
Thank you for responding to my note. I'm not related to the Grossman's who had a furniture store. The Grossmann side of my family, in contrast to the Cocuzza side, is very small. I'll let Josephine know you remember her. I'm sure she'll want to know "which 'Fred'" you are.

jerabbe1:
Hi Nick
The movie your talking about war called the ART alos the ronson like the lighter.
JERRY FROM 14th ave & 6th street.

Name of a movie:
NICK
I also know I made some spelling mistakes.
JERRY

Fred:
Caroline,
Last name is Petrozzi

Fred P:
Hey Jerry,
I think you've come up with the right name, forgot the Ronson part of it.
Did you go to 14th Ave. in 44
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VERY INTERESTING IS HERE, GREETINGS :-)

Mary Ellen:
Hi Turystyka....welcome ! Please come back and share some stories with us!
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Hi, Everyone:
It is a very hot daY today....memories of the Boylan Street Swimming Pool come to mind. How many of you recall going there? For "poor" Newark city kids, it was paradise on earth. I recall going there to cool off....that is, when we could not afford a day at the Olympic Park Swimming Pool. Going to the Olympic Park Swimming Pool was a REAL TREAT you can bet! For fifty cents, you even got the luxury of the "closed door" bathhouse. Otherwise, there used to be groups of three fitting room stalls, with a sheet hung in the doorway for privacy to dress or undress. How many of you recall the running through the sprinkling footbath, before you exited the bathhouse, to get outdoors to the pool?

Joyce:
Hi Barb. I remember Boylan Street Pool, although I was never in the pool. I went to school there for 1 year, 1952. It was a health school, and I had asthma as a child. Always looked out the window of the school, wishing I could go in the pool just once.

TOMMY"O":
I REMEMBER AT BOYLAN STREET WE USED TO PUT ALL OUR STUFF IN A WIRE BASKET..THEY WOULD GIVE YOU A NUMBERED TOKEN THAT WAS ELASTIC..WE PUT THEM AROUND OUR ANKLE..AND GET OUR STUFF BACK WHEN WE WENT HOME..ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT?

Manny:
Ah, the Boylan Street Pool. It was a wonderful place for me and my pubescent friends.

Bikinis were in vogue, and many of the developing lasses were wearing swimsuits they were clearly outgrowing. Swimming under water was a lot of fun back then, believe me.

Beyond that, the best part of the pool experience for me was getting a pretzel and lemon ice afterwards. I hated the long walk home in the heat. I was always too tired from swimming under water.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb, Tommy, and everyone. I too remember the wire baskets for your clothes and the elastic thing-a-ma-jig with a tag on it that you put around your ankles and then walking through the sprinkler area on the way into and out of the pool area and then getting a lemon ice when we left the pool and then taking the #31 bus back down South Orange Ave to 12th Street.

Mary Ellen:
Hi Barb, Yes, I remember Olympic Park pool well!But how many of us remember the Rotunda pool by Sacred Heart Cathedral? If I remember, there were no pools for us living on Broadway near Belleville. It was quite a walk to that pool but we sure had alot of fun. Remember how HUNGRY you were after and for some of us...we stayed hungry because we didnt have any money to buy anything. That was ok tho...the fun we had, made up for the noise coming from our tummys!
And those ankle thingys made noise when you walked . We have a park and a pool here thats very remenisent of Olympic Park and the pool is like it too.They still have those ankle bracelets
with the tag on it. I wonder if the kids today will ever enjoy the fun and excitement that we all shared years ago! Have a great day everyone!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. That Rotunda pool is still going today. I drove by there a few days ago and it sure did look "tempting."

Joan:
Remember we would put our bathing suits in a towel and then roll the towel and carry it under our arms and walk up to Boylan st pool from So. 12th.

Janice:
I still remember those locker number 'bracelets'/ We had them at the Y,along with the ugliest swim suits ever created for women. Having to shower off and walk through a foot bath before we could use the pool!. Don't remember too much hot water there either. Even used hand dryers to blow our hair dryer. Oh! the memories of my youth.

MaryEllen:
Hi Jule, was I right about it being near the Cathedral? By Barringer too? Its been many many years since I was in that area so I am little rusty!
I guess any generation is the same when it comes to swimming anywhere! We loved it...and still do I might add!
Have a good day Jule and everyone!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. You are absolutly correct - it is right by the Cathederal. It is on Clifton Ave and the corner of 7th Ave. Today you have the Colonnade Apts on the opposite corner. On the far end of that block, close to the Cathederal you have the beautiful Parks Dept Headquarters Bldg.

Mary Ellen:
Thanks Jule...another question tho. Wasnt the Colonnade on Broad St and 7th Ave? I dont remember it being up that far.It was being built when I was a teenager and for some reason I remember it being on Broad St.
Some times the pictures in my mind are so clear....some times they are not. Chalk that up to my grey matter taking a vacation! Thanks tho, you always, always are a wonderful source of information. God bless you Jule!!! What would we do without you and Glenn!!!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. Thanks for the kind words. Actually, the Colonnade Apts are not on Broad Street although they are very clearly visable from there. The entrances to those two buildings are back on 7th Ave and on Clifton Ave by the entrance to the park there. In addition to these two buildings there are another set of two buildings further back which are closer to Orange Street and that part of the park. I don't remember the names of the streets where those entrances are.

Mary:
Thanks again Jule...I can still see the building and aften wondered what it looked like inside. It was a wonder for many of us then. As I mentioned before, my mom and I lived in the Columbus projects...not for long tho as they almost imediatly went bad.I always felt bad for the people who lived there most of their lives only to have to move for the projects. I always felt safe with the neighbors before the building of those homes.
Its a shame how the "powers that be" did what they wanted to do regardless of the people who lived and raised their families felt.
Anyway...Thinking about what you just wrote...the Collonade may have grown since I last saw it tho...there was only 1 building I think. Do you know when they were built? It must have been in the late 50s or even the early 60s. In that case, I was married and moving out of Newark...or close to it. Thanks again Jule...have a great day!

Jule Spohn:
Good morning Mary Ellen. If I remember correctly they were built in the early 60's. When I got out of the Marines and began working for National Newark and Essex Banking Company at 744 Broad Street from 1967 to 1970 several of my co-workers had apartments in the Colonnades. There were really beautiful apts. They had floor to ceiling windows with fabulous views, very large rooms, and beautiful kitchen cabinets, etc. They were really quite the place to live at that time. However, after the 1967 riots, and into the early to mid 70's, those same co-workers and other friends were being mugged just going from their cars and getting to the buildings. By that time the area had begun to go downhill fast. Today however, those buildings seem to have made a nice turn around and so far, thank God, I haven't heard of too many problems going on there.

Mary Ray Beggio:
MaryEllen,like you I remember the Colonnade having an entrance on Broad ST.Thay were renting them in 59 and we went to look as Jule said they were beautiful.Rent for the one bed.was 125.00 a lot of money then.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ray. I'm sitting here smiling at your mention of $125 being a lot of money for rent back in 1959. In 1974 I moved from a one bedroom apt on Clinton Ave near the Irvington Bus Station where I was paying $125 into a brand new apt building over in Manhattan by Wall Street and had to pay $325 a month. Didn't know how I was going to swing that, but since the gas and electric were included, and I no longer had to pay the fee going at the Holland Tunnel, the net effect was that it was only about a $50 to $75 a month difference. OH, FOR THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!! Now, in this general area it costs about $2,000 a month for a one bedroom apt in a decent area - mindboggling!

Mary Ray:
Jule: hard to belive 2000a month in Newark or anyplace.the average person is getting priced out of the market.Thank you for the write up on our Fire Heroes,was that my old friend Joseph Doll,he passed on in the earley 70's.Also loved your work on Asbury Park.I would like to say that my husband and I have stayed at guy owned hotels in the FL. Keys we had great times and made new friends.We should support the ones who are trying to bring life back to this wonderful Town.
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Hi All you downeckers...who remembers this picture? I still have to figure out exactly where it was! I hope it comes out.

Nick

Webmaster:
I don't know about this one but go over to the Trivia Section
and see if you can guess the image that I posted.

Phil Lynch:
I'll take a shot and say it looks like farmers market or somewhere on the "island". I can see the Pulaski Skyway vaugely in the background and the elevated roadway could be either the turnpike or 1&9.

Joyce:
Is it Rupert Stadium? I think Ballantine was one of their sponsors.

Joyce:
Is it Rupert Stadium? I think Ballantine was one of their sponsors.

Nick:
Hi All,
This one has me puzzled also. The 3 rings sign is over a parking lot. The elevated roadway on the right looks more like a ramp coming down into the yard. There are no guardrails I can see which would rule out a roadway. Under the "ramp" you can see refrigerated rail cars, and in front of the ramp, on the ground, are tracks. I would guess the ramp was an ice ramp for the freight cars. The trucks in the back are White 3000s, which would date this picture 1949 or later. The sign is puzzling because the frame work is still up to this day, and behind it, unseen, are the grain silos still there today. I can't find this area when I drive downneck...time to get out and take a walk!

Glenn:
I've played around with the contrast and brightness. See if you can catch something in it.

Is the Ballantine sign on the side of a building or on "stilts"?

On closer look, there does seem to be a rail on the elevated roadway.

The roadway may be an entrance ramp for route 1 & 9. Some of these are now gone.

Is that a truck terminal?

Nick:
Hi Glenn,
I don't know why it scanned so bad. I also played around with it....the picture is around 8X10 and clear as a bell! The 3 rings are on a framework that's still on the building. You can see it from the turnpike clearly. I'll have to meet with you and show you in person.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick and everyone. Speaking of the three-ring sign, you can still see, and make out, the spearment shaped Bryers Ice Cream Sign down neck as you are coming along Rayomond Blvd from Kearny heading toward Newark. There is some kind of of bill-board sign attached to it today, but you can still make out the original large sign.

Phil Lynch:
Nick,
I know exactly what sign your talking about! But for the life of me I cant remeber which building its ON! This is going to haunt me now until I find out! Can you e-mail a better picture at ps427@hotmail.com. Thanks

Jack Keegan:
Hi Nick DeB
I think that phil is right.
The picture location is between Raymond Blvd. to the left and the Pulaski offramp to the right.It looks to be just before Blanchard Street.

frank wells:
nick the best i can come up with is between ferry st and market st acroos from the east ferry rail station there was a coal yard with a ramp like that
it is possible to see the silo's and nabisco from that location.the 3 rings sign purity- body-. flavor

Jack K:
Hi Nick DeB

What side of the building was that sign on-east- west- north or south?

Nick:
Hi all,
I would have to say the sign is facing sort of north...by the position you see it from the Turnpike. I would also assume it's near Ferry and Freeman Sts. I'm going to go take a look soon.

I tried everyway to clear this picture up...no dice! I guess a photo copy at the local Staples, or somewhere like that, will work....then I could actually mail it to Phil, or whomever.

I have another one showing another ramp setup...and the ramp looks like it comes into the truck yard, possibly a different view of that same shot...but a few years earlier.

Phil Lynch:
I may have to go with Ron Hayes on this one. It may be the lot on the corner of Ferry and St. Charles St. I'll have a look for myself maybe this weekend since I'm off from work.

Phil Lynch:
I'm sorry I meant Mr. Frank Wells.

Jack K:
Hi Nick D,
If you see the sign from the turnpike it must be on the east side of the brewery.If that is so you could not see it from east Ferry St. Station

frank wells:
ferry st and lexington is the location drove up to newark today to verify. However the sign is to the rear of the silo's .also in answer to an earlier post Coming of rt 1-9 on macarther hwy is a sign "ironbound" murray st next right. By the way Krug's parking lot was packed.was tempted, but short of time.

Jack K:
frank wells,

What side of Ferry St. are the silos on-north or south?

frank wells:
jack, I cannot orient the position-- but if you were coming from penn station to hayes pool the silo's would be on your right, in front of the old nabisco building-- I wish I had more time to explore the area, an old factory on the corner of ferry and st francis st is being demolished. I worked there as a kid. right across from east ferry rail station. I think the bldg was built in the 1800's and initially housed a luggage factory.

Jack K:
Thanks frank,

My recollection of 12-06-2003 is all about the construction of those silos.

frank wells:
jack i tried to find that article about the silo's but the archives only go back to jan 04. were the silo,s built for ballantine or nabisco? as a youngster we used to play in that area ballantine had two mack chain driven trucks that sat there all the time they were used to vacuam out the malt and hops from the frieght cars and tranport it to a bldg next to st aloysius school. this was late forties, and I think the silo's or some large white srtructure was there at that time. correct?

jack k:
frank wells,
Silo's were built for Ballantine's grains.They were constructed about 1938 or 1939.
My article on silo contruction is in Memories-Recollections of jack keegan-scroll down to ballantine's grain elelevator.

frank wells:
yessiree, they are the grain elevators that you commented on. as kids we used to play in the frieght cars that were filled with grain, wrestling, jumping,etc (soft landing)one time the truck came to take the grain out of the car and a friend of mine (paul sieler) lost his wool cap to the force of the suction, we followed the truck to st aloysius area and as the truck dumped it's load into the celler we retrieved the hat.Also in that area by the silo's nabisco used to put thier pies on the platform to cool after baking- you could smell them for a mile, and once in a while we would play commando's and liberate a pie or two.this was about 1945, or 46.
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Jule Spohn, are you the official photographer for this website, or do you just get around Newark often? I use to live at 500 So. 12th Street, between 15th and 16th Avenue, nearer to 16th Avenue. Could you check your archives and see if you might have a picture of this house. It was my grandparent's, LeRoy and Lillian Wilson. My mom and I lived there with them when my dad was in the service, 1943 - 1946. Thanks, Jule.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Joyce. Official phodtographer - no - that's Nick De Benedetto with those great aerial shots. I live in Newark and am always going around taking photo's of the "old stuff." I used to live at 332 South 12th Street in the mid to late 50. That is close to 13th Ave. I'll try to get over that area this weekend and see what is there. Keep you memories. Today, that entire area is one of the worst areas in Newark.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Joyce,
Jule's being nice to me...I just find and post pictures. He is the unofficial chronicolizer of Newark!! OK, that may not be an actual word, but he's the guy that does all the work. Me, I just take credit where credit isn't due!!

Nick

Joyce:
Hi Jule. We also lived at 538 S. 12th Street, from 1946 to 1953, when my dad was discharged from the service. Just across 16th Ave., and down about 2 houses past a large red brick building. But we left Newark in 1953.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Joyce. I'll check that one out also.

Glenn:
Where do I fit in?

Nick:
Hi Glenn,
You're the boss here, no questions asked!

Jule Spohn:
Glenn, you fit in right at the top. If it wasn't for you there would be no pictures, no stories, no nada, on oldnewark.com As the song says, "You're The Top."

Caroline Grossmann:
Hi Joyce,
My mother's best friend from childhood was Louise Myers. Any relation?

Joyce:
Hi Caroline. No relation to Louise Myers. Most of the Myers' were were born and raised in Middletown, NY.
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Hi Any and all,
I'm trying to locate a classmate of mine.

Henry G. Mogler graduated Jan. 1939 from East Side High School.At tha t time he lived at 10 Lawton Street Newark.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jack Keegan

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nancy. What were the cross streets to Barclay? I'll take a ride by there when I have a chance and if there is still a building there I'll take a photo of it for you.

Jule Spohn:
OOOPS!!!This belongs below in #767.

Sue S.:
Jack, My father, Chet Stroz graduated East Side in January of 1940. He lived at 407 Walnut St. About your friend, the SuperPages list a Henry Mogler in Jensen Beach, FL. maybe this is him.
Good Luck.
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hi everyone glad to see so many people coming back to old newark it a great site . i stop in everyday to see the new messages .i lived on 127 barclay st. in the 50 in a 4 story building any one know what is there now. have a good day everyone keep up the good job on this site
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OLDNEWARKDOTCOM MONTHLY LUNCH

I think that due to the fact that many people have made other summer plans on most weekends, we not hold our usual monthly lunches for July and August, but will begin again with the last Saturday in September. I don't know how Krug's will survive without our group on the last Saturday of the month, but they'll just have to get by without us. LOL!!!

Margaret Martinson:
Hello Jule:

When you have a chance, could you post the address of Krug's for those of us who have forgotten it?

Thanks a million,

Margaret

Jule Spohn:
Hello Margaret. I'm at work right now, but off the top of my head I think it is 118 Wilson Ave. I'll double check when I get home laater tonight and if that is not correct I'll post the correct address.

Margaret Martinson:
Thanks, Jule!

Margaret
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FOR RON H WHAT HAPPEN LAST NIGHT NIGHT WE WERE TO GOOD LEAVEING RIGHT FOR TODAYS BE WITH MORE BAD NEWS FOR YOU
GO RAYS

hOPE YOU GET BEFOR ITS GONE

Ron Hayes:
OH HI Nicky how are things with you and your rays? How did todays game go for you,did you enjoy the action? Oh wait here's the final score YANKEES 4 rays 2 oh oh better luck next time.How are things with you kid, Manny said he will play some slots for you if you send the fifty,I know you will Nick ole buddy,I just hope you didn't bet it all on the rays.

Nicky G:
Ron My friend one out of two not bad
Ron I send you massage back in #746 but you know now a day you got to be fast in here other wise forget about it any way on the boat I got a pocket full so guy made a 11 Passes and then in Tampa had a time agood day at poker haven`t seen nothing like this in a long time

Ron Hayes:
HI HO Nick o reno,Manny told me about your new found riches he said you will take care of us now is that right ole BUDDY? I hope the boss don't find out how much you are worth be careful ole PAL...
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FIREMAN'S MEMORIAL

Newark finally got around to dedicating a memorial to those firemen who died "in the line of duty." It was dedicate yesterday. It is a six ton black granite stone and is located on Green Street over by the post office near the memorial to police officers who also died in the line of duty.

They did a reading of each of the fallen hero's and after each the sound of a bell could be heard.

Roses were placed at the base of the monument by family members: Connie LaTorre in honor of her husband; Joan Doll-Kinnear in honor of her husband. Her son Jack is still a Captain with the fire dept. Firefighter Richard Reddick laid a rose in honor of his brother Marcus who died in 1986; and Jude DeLane laid one for his son Michel who was killed in 1994.
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DOWN NECK SWIMMING POOL.

After waiting for more than twenty years, downneckers finally have a new swimming pool at a total cost of $16.1 million. It is located at the corner of Rome and St. Charles Place. It hs a movable floor that chan change the water's depth from a wading level to a depth of 13 feet for divers. This replaces the old Wilson Ave bathhouse which was demolished in 1979.

The new name of the pool is: Sharpe James/Kenneth A. Gibson Recreation & Aquatic Center - what else? Years ago they waited till the politician was dead before naming something after them - not any longer. I'm sure that when and if the sports arena is ever built in Newark it too will be called the Sharpe James Sports Arena or something similar.

Anyway, it is great for the people downneck to finally have a beautiful swimming pool in their midst.

Phil Lynch:
Jule,
When I was down there two weeks ago I passed by and saw the sign saying the pool would open this Monday. It looks really nice from the outside. Like you said earlier they have been trying to build this pool since I was in Hawkins St. School. They also could have given the pool a different name. The East Ward Councilman voted against the name saying as all people in the Ironbound say that the Mayor and other polticians have neglected that area for years!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Phil. The old saying holds true - sad to say: "To the victor goes the spoils." That's exactly what is happening here in Newark today.

Jack K:
Hi Jule,
Re: Pool in Ironbound- Where is St. Charles Place?

NICK DEBENEDETTO:
Hi Jule,
Yup...years ago they waited until the politician was dead to name something after them, but with all the new electronic technology and expanding life expectency, they just have to wait until he's either in jail, or on the way there! The pool should be named after my father, but who cares!

NICK

Jule Spohn:
Hello Jack. I'm not sure exactly where it is. I'm sure before the night is over someone will let you know.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick. I think you should let the people know who and what your father did for this city.

Ron Hayes:
It's on ST Charles Street which runs between Ave L and East Ferry Street

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Jack,
The pool is at the old Ironbound Stadium. If you turn onto Romwe Street, off Wilson Avenue, You'll run right into it.
Nick

Nick:
OOPS That was supposed to read ROME Street!

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
NICK D---THE NEWARK POLITICIANS ARE DEAD--MORALLY--DAN DEL BAGNO
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Where have all the Gypsies gone ? In the late 40s and 50s they occupied many of the "storefronts " on Halsey St. {south of William St. toward W. Kinney.] They were a colorful group of people with their multi-colored "beds and hangings decor" Plenty of women and kids , but I nver really learned how they were supported . They spent time here and then moved on. A seasonal thing I believe ! Anyone have an answer or two.

Janice:
Seymour, I seem to remember them living in storefront type 'homes' in the ironbound aarea back in the 50's.Always struck me as a weird way to live.Beads and bright fabric always blocked the view into the store windows.

Caroline:
Hi,
Starting in 1895 my great grandfather had a bakery on the first floor of the three family house we lived in. It had a regular store front and main entrance. Eventually other businesses took the space and, finally, in the 1960's a Gypsy family moved in. Mostly you saw the wife and her children. He husband was rarely around because he was at work. I don't know what his job was.

Quint:
Seymour,
Gypsies support themselves through any number of confidence schemes which amount to no more than grand theft. They travel to different parts of the country taking advantage of unsuspecting victims. As an example, the notorious Williams family, a very large gypsy family well known in the southwest, bilk homeowners out of thousands of dollars every year. Their con game goes like this. One of the family scouts out a neighborhood of single family homes looking for asphalt driveways or roofs in need of repair. Once identified, another member of the family approachs the home owner, pretending to be a employee of a contractor who just finished asphalting a driveway in the neighborhood and had some asphalt left over. The gypsy offers to asphalt victims driveway with the left over material ...and he would do it for half the price it would ordinarily cost. Most of the time the deal was done and the victim paid with cash. However, instead of asphalt, the gypsies driveway would coat the driveway with thick, hot, used motor oil which washed away with the first rain. In some cases the gypsies use they same ruse with a twist, offering to tar the roof of a victims home.
Gypsies are only romanticized in the movies, by and large they are tribes of thieves specializing in con games, pickpocketing, shoplifting and auto theft, just to name a few.
So when you hear that song, "Golden Earrings" that the gypsies know is true...you can bet they were probably stolen.
Have a nice day!

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF GYPSIES--GO TO ABEBOOKS.COM--LOOK FOR THE BOOK "LICENSE TO STEAL" IN OUR STATE(NJ) THE KING OF THE GYPSIES--"TWO-BONES" JUST PASSED AWAY--HIS SON ARCHIE TOOK OVER AS KING--THEIR FAMILY NAME IS MITCHELL---I HAVE BEEN FRIENDLY WITH THEM FOR OVER 35 YEARS--DAN DEL BAGNO

Quint:
Dan,
The Williams clan makes its rounds to SoCal on an annual basis, usually in the Spring. When they show up anywhere in SoCal an APB goes out stating "THEY"RE BACK" ( I paraphrased, of course).

Caroline:
Hi,
We have "The Travelers" on the East Coast doing the same scams. They've been in my neighborhood wanting to coat driveways. Once two of them did a neighbors drive. She noticed a brief "absence" of one of them. After they were gone she saw drops of "tar" on her shingled garage roof. It looked as though the guy went up there possibly to try and get into the house through the bedroom windows. Fortunately, they couldn't be opened.

Barb L. Rothschild:
Dear Seymour:
Back around 1980, a book came out by Peter Maas, called "King of the Gypsies". It was made into a film starring Judd Hirsch and Eric Roberts, by the same name as the book. I believe Shelley Winters also starred in it. It chronicled the illegal activities of the traveling gypsies and the "boojoo" women, who practiced the fortune telling games, the "evil" found in a chicken egg, etc. It also talked about the gypsy burial grounds in Newark (Fairmount Cemetery) and the Hollywood Cemetery, in Union, New Jersey, off Route 22, I think. I also recall the storefronts on Halsey Street. I also recall working in a Broad Street womens' apparel shop, and we were cautioned to have "heads up" when the gypsies entered...they would try all manner of either stealing or damaging clothing, in order to get a reduced price. For example, they would try to burn a cigarette hole in an item. It is traditional that only the women work, usually. Another scam was the Adirondack chair sales. Many of the tribes used to live around Jackson,N.J.(where Great Adventure is located). In the summer, they would come around with wooden chairs to sell, and then try to talk you into having your driveway sealed, the scam spoken of previously. Since many of the retirement villages were located in Ocean County, a favorite target would be the elderly, as it always is.
I can recall a group of gypsy women coming into the store where I worked, and admired a ring I was wearing. They wanted me to take it off so they could have a better look at it! I sure as hell did not do that! They then began to beseech the store owner to lower prices on some clothing they were interested in....he would not, whereupon one of them said she would "put a Gypsy curse" on him. He replied,"in that case, I will put a Jewish curse on you, too." I truly had to laugh at that one. Since many of the women wore lowcut blouses, some of them proceeded to expose their breasts to the owner, whereupon he proceeded to call in the police. The store was located near the intersection of Broad and Market Streets, called the G& G Shops (for Galin and Galin, the owners). The timeframe I am referring to, is around 1961 or so.
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ASBURY PARK UPDATE

I spent most of the day down at Asbury Park and spent a few hours in the library looking up of addresses. I made copies of the city directory for 1940 and for 1961. Here are most of the stores along Ocean Ave and along the Boardwark that I'm sure most of you will remember. For both of these I'm starting at the Carousel/Casino buildings and heading down toward the Convention Hall. Remember, this is 1961 and many of the restaruants are now differet names. I'll let you know what's what today.

OCEAN AVE: Colonial Restaurant (now is Golddiggers Bar); Mrs. J's Restaruant (now is the Stone Pony); Steve Brody's Bar and Grill (building is gone); LaBoves Restaurant (building is gone); Edd's Skill Bingo; Whimpy's Char Pit; Peterson's Sea Food Restaruant (now is the Wonder Bar); Berkely-Carteret Hotel (still going strong).

THE BOARDWALK; Glaser's Gift Shop; Casion Stationery & Gift Shop; Madam Marie handwriting analyst (she has now moved further down the boardwalk next to the Howard Johnson's near the Convention Hall); Seger & Ashmore Amusements; Wesley Bathing Group (showers etc); Casino Amusement Co; Casino Ice Skating Company; King Kernel Nut Shop; Casino Smoke Shop; Criterion Restaurant; Kohr's Custart; Maxwell House Coffe Shop Rest; Empire Stores gifts; Kiddieland Park (train, miniture golf, sm merry-go-round, etc); Michael's Candy Shop; Second Ave Golf Course; Criteion Candy Shop; Third Ave Train Ride; Jonathan's Candiesd; New Fourth Ave Bathing Pavilion; Kohr's Custard Shop; Sea Breeze Soda Shop; Flynn's Give Shop; Arcade Tea Shoppe & Restaurant (now is the Howard Johnson's); MiramarGrill; Paramount Theatre; Tasty Ten Luncheonette; Convention Hall. And one that I had totally forgotten about, when you walked through Convention Hall to the smaller beach was the Richard Kadrey Auction Galleries. That was always a fun place to visit and watch people bid on things.

COOKMAN AVE - Walking away from the beach area: Palace Amusements; Normandy Restaruant Charlie's Bar & Grill; Lyric Theater; Villa Penza Restaurant; St. James Theatre; lots of other stores, bars and restaurants; bus station; Newberry Five and Dime.

Next time I go there again I'll get the city directory for 1975 which should list some of the later bars, restaurants, etc., such as the Stone Pony; Wonder Bar; Student Prince, Peppermint Lounge, etc.

One last thing. How many remember the diner (L&M Diner/Ocean Circle Diner) which was on the traffic circle as you came onto Asbury Ave heading toward the beach area. The building is still standing but it is vacant. I took a lot of photo's of all of what is left and have got to get them over to Glenn.

Jule Spohn:
BOARDWALK FROM 1940:

The Whip ride; ier Auto Skooter; Asbury Fishing Pier; Pier Taffy Shop; Jonathan's Taffy Shop; Asbury Park Obstacle Golf Course; the Natatorium (indoor swimming pool); and Mr. Peanut (used to walk along the boardwalk dress like a peanut with a top hat and cane; and finally "Facination."

Oh, down by the Convention Hall there was also a L. Bamberger & Company dept. store. (I don't remember this, but there it is in the 1940 city directory).

Janice:
Jule, How about the Albion hotel, now gone. Very 50's retro as I recall. Cramped rooms and no curtains or blinds.Spent a few nights there @1968.What were they thinking? It overlooked the circuit with a really good view and was around the corner from the Pony.

Janice:
Jule, I remember the Ocean Queen very well. There always seemed to be lines waiting for tables. I recall it as a VERY nice diner/restaurant in the early 70.s On another site, I can't recall which, it showed the terrible state it is in today--what a waste!!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice. I too had stayed at the Albion a few times back in the 70's. You're right, it was right in the middle of everything. I've seen some old postcards and photo's of the place way-back-when it was probably a pretty classy place in it's heyday.

It is unbelievable what has happend to Asbury Park in the past 20 or so years. Almost everying we knew is gone. However, it is beginning to make a come back and I hope it does. I still love the place. Even though I go to some of the other shore places, I still consider Asbury Park "my other home." I spent many a weekend there back in the late 60's and 70's. The area all along Cookman Ave from the Carousel down to about where the bus stop was is totally gone. They are suppossed to be building condo's etc in that area. There are a group of about four developers who have each taken on a section along the boardwark area and hopefully will turn it around.

Janice:
Jule-No matter how nice they fix it up--it will never be the same. In my day we thought nothing of meeting some soldiers there and just having some good clean fun!! I cringe at the thought of doing that nowadays. Besides I doubt any of soldiers would be the right age for this old lady!!LOL I remember one asking us if we wanted to go see the submarines races--I was so naive that I actually thought there were races!! How dumb and innocent could I have been???

Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice. "Old Soldiers Never Die" there are still some of them out there looking for "old ladies" like you.

Caroline:
Hi,
Does anyone remember "Mrs. Mac's," the hamburger and hot dog tent that was right next to the stop for the bus from Newark? Condiments included free generous amounts of carbon monoxide.

Caroline:
Hi,
Does anyone remember "Mrs. Mac's," the hamburger and hot dog tent that was right next to the stop for the bus from Newark? Condiments included free generous amounts of carbon monoxide.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice and all. Right around the Albion Hotel On Kingsley Street, one block away from Ocean Ave, and a block away from the Flamingo Hotel (still there) on I think 2nd Street is a small, strange looking buiilding, looks like a chalet building, which was some type of bar in the 70's. Do you or anyeone remember what it was?

Janice:
Sorry Jule, I don't recall that building. It was hard to notice any buildings while cruising the 'circuit' looking for those soldiers LOL!!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice. One of these days I might learn how to put pictures on this site with the messages.
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BAMBERGER'S CLOCK UPDATE

Many of you know that I have been trying to save and restore the old Bamberger's Clock on the corner of the building on Market and Halsey Streets. I received a call from the clock restoration company this afternoon informing me that they have been in touch with present owner of the building, who has agreed to have the work done, and that they will be coming down to Newark sometime in the next few weeks to remove the working mechanism and try to restore it. I'll keep you informed as to the developments.

In this past Sunday's Star Ledger "Letter's to the Editor" section, a woman named Betty L. McNeil, who is a life-long resident of Newark added the following to her article about the restoration work which is about to happen on Broad Street - "How many meetings were set under the clock at Bambergers?"

There has always been a great connection between Newarkers and the Bamgerger's clock. It is part of our Newark History and that is why it is so important for me to try to save it.

Margaret Martinson:
Jule,

This is wonderful news! I worked for Ohrbach's as a salesgirl and later a switchboard operator from 1962-66, putting myself through college, so Bamberger's Clock has great significance for me as it does for many Newarkers.

God bless you for all you are doing to save Newark's landmarks!

Margaret

MARGARET JOOST:
MY MOTHER, ALSO MARGARET JOOST, WORKED AT ORBACHS FOR MANY YEARS. SHE PASSED AWAY IN FEBRUARY '66 WHEN WE WERE STATIONED IN TAIPEI, TAIWAN.
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Hi, the Mad Photo Poster here again!! This is another great shot of Pabst. It's looking down Grove Street, in fact, if you look down Grove you can see Sacred Heart Church of Irvington. That's where I was married. There is another interesting part to this picture that I wouldn't have known if I wasn't "digging" around the old Pabst maintenance offices. The street running parallel to Grove Street, on the right, is Whitney Street. According to the complex blueprint I stumbled upon it shows all these buildings on the right of the street as being part of the Pabst complex! They were storage of some sort, but I don't know what they stored. Usless information, but still historical

Nick

Nick DeBenedetto:
I forgot to mention thatthe cemetary on the left is the Jewish cemetary...and it's being destroyed. The small building to the left is what's left of Turner Lumber.

Nick

Glenn:
I worked one block to the left of this picture on 19th and So. Orange Avenue. We were on the west side of the street and on the east side was a parking lot for Pabst.

Nick:
Glenn,
Where did you work? I can't recall what was there when I was growing up.

Do you want this copy of the disc I have for you? Let me know and I'll give it to my brother for you...like a relay service! Or you could drop in at Moby Dicks this Saturday...It's Pabst night!!

Phil Lynch:
Nick,
When you mentioned that the cemetery is being destroyed do you mean in a sense by the neighborhood or by developers. I know that Cemetery is one of the ones that is neglected by good ole Sanford Epstein. As posted ealier my Grandfather is buried across the street and that cemetery is in decent shape. My mother has told me that many people have paid for perpetual care of thier loved ones and that not happening. Also I have a Great-Grandfather and Great-Grandmother buried in another Jewish cemetery I just don't know where.

Nick:
Hi Phil,
I mean the cemetary is being destroyed by the same animals that are trying to destroy all of Newark.

Phil Lynch:
Thats what I figured. Thanks Nicky.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Phil. I'll comment on the Jewish Cemetery on South Orange Ave and 20th Street. It is in terible disrepair. The surrounding neighborhood is one of the worst in the city. However, that is no excuse for letting this, as well as other cemeteries in this city, deteroriate the way they have. The main gate in front of this cemetery is just about to fall down. The once beautiful guard rails in front are already destroyed. The Jewis cemetery on South Orange Ave and Grove Street seems to be a little better taken care of.

I have no use for the way that Sandy Epstein has taken, or NOT TAKEN, care of these two cememteries. It, and he, is a disgrace. I only found out a few months ago that it is this same Sandy Epstein who is responsible for maintaining Woodland Cemetery where there are over 80,000 of Newark's first German families burried. There, there are thousands of tomb stones which have been turned over during the past two decades. The iron fence is probably three quarters missing. I can't believe that Sandy Epstein is still allowed to manage - mis-manage - these cemeteries. They should get someone else to replace his inept management of these cemeteries. I've called his office several times and asked them to try to fix up the front gate of the Jewish Cememtery on 20th Street but nothing has been done. It is a disgrace.
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Newark Newspapers of Yesteryear:

In my earlier "Old Newark" memories, I
recalled the Newark newspaper scene of
the 1930s as viewed through the eyes of a young reporter.

I had dealt with the Newark Ledger, the Newark Evening News, and The Newark Sunday Call.

Now my Newark "Newspaper" memories have become complete with a new posting of 1930s life in the old Newark Star-Eagle newsroom.

How a Former Star-Eagle Reporter Described the 1930s at the Paper


You, Manny, and guys and gals who like to read about newspaper life back in the days of "The Front Page" will enjoy
this new one.

-- Nat Bodian

Manny:
That was very entertaining reading, Nat. My career seemed to have entered the twilight of all that atmosphere and basic technology.

My first job in 1970 was as sports editor at the Alva (Okla.) Review Courier. It had linotype machines, a flat-bed press made in 1898, plus those old-fashion cameras - I think they were called Graflex - in which you took one shot, then pulled out the negative slide, reversed it and stuck it back in the camera.

In the late 1970s, I worked at the grittiest of all places - the Herald-News at Passaic.

In the July/August edition of the "American Journalism Review," Chris Kent wrote about that Herald-News.

It follows:

... The paper's newsroom was the embodiment of grit: World War II-era desks, sticky with decades of carbon ink, jammed together in fours; stacks of newspapers and other flotsam slopping from one desk to another; sputtering fluorescent lights vainly battling cigarette haze. Newsgathering years before had overtaken neatness; one reporter even raised fruit flies in a jar filled with mashed bananas without a peep of protest from co-workers. "It was my first newsroom – it was old and battered, but it was kind of homey," recalls Steven Walker, now a reporter at the Newark Star-Ledger.

Manny:
Oops! That was the 1992 edition of "American Journalism Review."

Nicky G:
Nat very good job on this one to
But with this one is making me feel a little older
I do remember the Star Eagle a little young at the time but remember it.
Still a very good job on this one

The Keansburg Kid:
Nicky you were young when Broad and Market was a pariery when the buffalos roamed and the railroad was only a dream

Nat Bodian:
Manny:

Noted with interest your first newspaper job as sports editor at the Alva Review Courier.

My first job with a weekly salary, pre World War II, was as sports editor and sports columnist for a suburban Exxex weekly.

I still worked nights for the Ledger and I recall that I often
had headlines for my 'special'
stories set in the Ledger composing room (in the former Star-Eagle building) and would bring them in to work with me the next morning.

-- Nat

Quint:
Nat and Manny,
When I was discharged from the Corps in 1954 I enrolled at Fairleigh Dickinson, Rutherford as a Journalism major. Our Department Head was Marty Gansberg, then night editor of the NY Times and a great guy. I wanted to be a reporter but alas, it was not to be. When I inadvertantly got introduced to law enforcement I gave up journalisn and became a cop...it many instances during my 42 year career I was part of making the news rather than writing it. During those years I made friends with many reporters, and to this day we remain friends.
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Hi all,
I imagine this was probably discussed or covered somewhere on this site: The old Sears Roebuck building (Bergen St. area) had a very similar exterior finish as Pabst, but in green instead of blue. Last time I checked, that building was still there, looks basically the same, but is currently a storage facility of some type. Does anyone have pics from when it was Sears?

Nicky G:
Hi Henry where on Bergen area was Sears I lived on Beregen st for over 25 years I don`t remember Sears around there maybe Qunit or Seymour would remember better than me what you think guys

Quint:
Henry,
I draw a blank on this one. I don't remember the Sears building at all.

Glenn:
Here's the current Sears building:

http://www.oldnewark.com/busind/images/department/sears/sears2003.jpg

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Henry,
The Sears building is, and always was, on Elizabeth Avenue. I passed it every day when I was working on the courthouse. It's owned by Brantly Moving and Storage. My wife worked with Carol Brantly up until last year who's husband was one of the owners. If you go to the home page of this site, look up department stores and you'll see how it looks today.

Nick

Henry R.:
Thanks for the photo link and the street correction, now Im on a quest to find a photo of that building when it was opened as Sears.
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Hi Quint, and all...

I posted this before, but for the new guys...is this what you remember??

Nick

JOE J:
What happen to Hoffmams ?
are they still around ?

Quint:
Nick,
That's it! I remember when I was a kid and we would go on a family drive we would drive by the bottle. My two sisters and I would try to guess how long it would take us to drink all the ginger ale in the bottle.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Joe J,
Hoffman Beverages is still out in Long Island. I haven't seen anything from them around here in years...but then again I didn't see Schaefer Beer for a while...and it's back...and better than ever!

Hi Quint,
You would have to drink a lot of soda! That bottle holds 55,000 gallons of fire sprinkler water! If anyone remembers the old steam radiators that were common as kids then you would remember that smell of the stangant water. That's what the water would taste like in this bottle! I would almost rather drink a Budweiser!

By the way...if we don't do something SOON...that bottle will most likely end up as a Toyota, or something similar!!

Nick

JoeJ:
How about Miss RINEGOLD.BEER don't see much of her out here

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Joe,
Last week Rheingold started brewing in NY again! The Greenpoint brewery makes it under contract. I still haven't tried it, but I hear it's not as good as the original. How could it be....it was made with Newark water!!!

Nick
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OK, last one...and we all know where thisone is...don't we??

Nick


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frank wells:
c'mon nick where is this? down neck?

Joey george:
Nick,

The pics are WONDERFUL! That by the way use to be Tiffany's.

Quint:
Nick,
The beautiful old building is, or was, Tiffany's. I lived only a block or two away on Montclair Ave. I walked that beat for a couple of years and stopped in at the Tiffiny foks now and then. The railroad tracks I see in the photo run just about along the Newark/Bellville city line as I recall.
Nice photos Nick. Too bad we can't paint the bottle its original color. I recall that it was green and greatly resembled the ginger ale bottle.
Stay well.

Jule Spohn:
I know.

seymour pierce:
Nick, beautiful pcture. It also reminds me of Thomas Edisons plant in EO. Its probably the color of the buildings .

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Seymour,
Edison's factory and lab were in West Orange. The old battery factory is the home of Weird New Jersey magazine. I think there's a connection with this property and Henry Riccio's family...somewhere in my mind it's there!

Frank Wells....missed ya at the last few OldNewark luncheons. I hope you'll be at the next one,(drag that guy from Keansburg with you) which isn't until August or September....Jule can fill you all in.

Nick

frank wells:
Nick; the summer has been hectic-- look forward to getting with the gang again in august or sept. I sure will get ahold of the kid from keansburg, and bring him down, it's my turn to treat him.
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OOPS!!! Forgot the picture! Hey, I never said I was smart!

Nick



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Glenn:
If you go straight up from the top of the bottle to the cluster of trees at the top. That cluster is hiding the Settler's Monument in Fairmount Cemetery. You can make out the base of it.
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Hi All,
Lets see if this works...and if it does, who BESIDES JULE, can tell me what it is!

Nick



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Joyce:
Looks like a high school, but I don't know which one.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Joyce,
Correct it is a high school! Keep guessing!

Nick

Jack K:
Hi Nick,

Looks like West Side High to me.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Jack,
Yup...you win!! OK, where can I ship the big bottle to?

Nick

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick and everyone. That's it - West Side High School. I grew up right across the street from there. If you look closly at the photo at about one o'clock you will see a red building next to West Side. Next to that is a low white building, some grass, and a tall white building. Where that grass is is where my house was till it, and many others on that block were burned down. The picture makes the area look great, which it was, but today it is a disaster area. Makes my blood boil when I drive around there.

Jule Spohn:
That large yellow-brick building at about 11 o'clock is the old Columbian Laundry. Over between one and two o'clock are a series of red buildings. These are the apt's on 11th Street and 13th Ave where the Tansey's lived. It's not in the photo but if you were to continue the red buildings to the right they would cross 10th Street and 13th Ave and you would see the old Monastery Of St. Dominic.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Jule,
When I give you the copy of the disc you'll be able to see the Monestary in one of the pictures. You have to zoom in, and these pictures allow you to zoom in CLEARLY!

Nick

Quint:
Even this Weequahic Indian recognizes West Side High School by the cemetary on the adjoining property!

Glenn:
Yes, that's Fairmount Cemetery. My Grandparents are buried at the extreme left of this picture in the grassy opening between the two verticle trees.

Phil Lynch:
Just throw my two cents in played basketball in the gym connected just to the left of the main building. Nice gym and locker rooms. Played in the early 90s.

Caroline:
Hi Nick,
Thank you for the picture. My alma mater looks better than ever. The last time I was by there the gym had not yet been built. I guess that says I'm overdue for a drive by the school. The mention of the cemetary reminds me of winter days when the fog would literally roll through it. It was eerie, especially when the lesson was on Edgar Allen Poe and you got to looking out the window daydreaming.

Quint:
Do any of you West Siders remember or know Skippy Linhoff? He played football for West Side about the late 40's or early 50's. He was one of our "gang" from Madison JHS and became a fire fighter in Newark. I haven't seen Skippy since the early 50's. Some of us from the old gang plan to get together later this year in Newark. I'm gonna persuade them to make it in the latter part of the month so that I can make it to the Krug gathering.

Fred:
Glen, My Dad is buried at the base of the wall, a few feet to the right of the tall tree closest to the side ent.
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CLINTON AVENUE
JULY, 2004

Every time business or family matters bring me back to Jersey, I make the obligatory drives through Newark, forced by my armchair architect and historian ambitions. Usually my cruises are through neighborhoods I know very well, Vailsburg, Forest Hill or Down Neck. This week I was a bit more adventurous and explored the South Ward, where my father’s family lived; on Johnson Ave., Hawthorne Ave., and Peshine Ave.

As I was carefully driving down Clinton Avenue in my new Volvo station wagon with Massachusetts license plates, I passed Gerard Place, which I remembered from a recent “Guestbook” entry. I decided to drive around the neighborhood.

Indeed it was, and is becoming again, a beautiful street, with large old homes, some with wraparound porches sporting old-fashioned striped awnings. A few of the houses could compete with the mansions on Ballantine Parkway or Parker Street in Forest Hill. It was obvious that Gerard Place had seen better days, but a couple of the houses were stunning, and several seemed to be in the process of rehabilitation. The surrounding streets also had pockets of former oppulence.

The architectural grandeur of the Temple B’nai Abraham (which I did not remember) was still apparent, even in its disrepair. I could easily visualize the neighborhood’s grace and beauty in its prime.

My grandfather’s old house on Johnson Avenue looked better now than it did in pictures from the 1930’s depression, but most of the houses on the street looked more like a bombed-out Baghdad. Much of that neighborhood now seems to be linked to Malcolm X. Shabaaz (South Side) HS, still an architectural jewel.

The Weston Electric complex on Freylingheusen Ave., site of so many discoveries and inventions had a “For Lease” sign on its perfectly manicured lawn. I hope that the buildings’ heritage is once again used by an entreprenurial start-up.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Frank. Sounds like you had an "interesting" tour of your old hometown. As you said, some of the homes in that area are still very well maintained. I have been told in the past six months or so that there are several Jewish families returning to that area and are buying some of those large homes for their large families. And you are right again about the "architectural jewel" of South Side High. The track there can probably compete with any of the finest in the land. I'd love to see them do the same thing with that quarter mile track over at West Side. However, the area around West Side still has many years to go to see that type of change.

Too bad you didn't stop off at Bragman's Jewish Deli on Hawthorn Ave for lunch. The sandwiches are unbelievable - best I've had in over 35 years. I try to get there once or twice a month.

Dan Carrow:
Yes, that's true many Russian Jews are moving in from downtown Williamburgs. Also there are quite a few of well to do black's and latino quietly slipping back into Newark from Manhattan.
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Hi Gang..GEEZ! how it's gone from a handful of people here to the gang we now have! See...good things always grow.

OK, for all you who asked me about your relatives at Pabst...sad news...the personal files were all destroyed this past week...but the archives haven't been touched, so the checks are still there but I didn't get the chance to look through them today. Jule, the offices are spotless now! You wouldn't recognize the place.

The guys from Weird New Jersey magazine came to meet me and we toured the brewery. It took a lot longer than they thought it would. I'll get the chance to look through the archive room soon, I promise.

Nick

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick. The old saying still holds true - "The time to take the apples is when the cart is passing."

Sounds like you had a good time with the guys from Wierd New Jersey. I still haven't checked out their site. What is the address?

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Jule,
The website is www.weirdnj.com

Nick

Jule Spohn:
Thanks Nick. Checked it out - ineresting.
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Nice to visit your web site, folks!! Give it more polish, just a bit more fun.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Kitre. Some of "oldnewarkers" believe the old saying - "If it ain't broken, don't fix it." This site is a give and take about "old newark" not about the new Newark. It is a place for former Newarkers to reminance about the past and what a great city it once was before it's demise after the 1967 race riots.

MARGARET JOOST:
DEFINE POLISH AND MORE FUN.

Danny B.:
I think it's got plenty of Polish. Also Irish, Italian, Jewish, etc.

Judie:
Hi, I enjoy this site so much, nothing has to be changed, just enjoy what people have to say about NEWARK.

Margaret Martinson:
I love this site, too!

In my opinion, what epitomizes the site is its atmosphere of re-connecting with a beautiful place and a very special time.

Jule says it best: "Welcome home."

Coming here to chat and reminisce is like going back home, home to a time when we were young and much more carefree than what we are now.

Newark - Great Town, Great People, Great Times!

Margaret

Mary Ellen:
Hi Kitre....we like it just the way it is! Like Jule said...its about the Newark we all grew up in and remember. But thanks for dropping by!
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Hi Glenn and all,
A friend of mine owns an aerial photography company. He was doing a shoot locally so he decided to take some aerials of Pabst for me....I got the discs today and was thrown into a complete shock! You can almost reach out and touch the buildings! He surprised me by throwing in some other pictures, including the old Lackawanna Station, which also shows the roof of the old Westinghouse factory, and the buildings across the street, the Tiffany building...the areials of this building are incredible, and many more. Glenn, you have to have a copy and post some pictures here....you won't be disappointed!

Nick

Jule Spohn:
Nick. The photo's I've see are great. Nice work.
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Criss Crossing paths.

As many of you know I'm cleaning out the old Pabst brewery. I came across some old pay checks so I decided to pull out my old issues of The Blue Ribbon, the Pabst company magazine. There is always news and employee happenings from each brewery. I tried to match a few faces, or names with the checks. The shock came when I was reading an article, scanning the names, and the name Evelyn Spohn appeared! I contacted Jule who said it was an Aunt of his. Well, I guess the new mission is to find her paycheck somewhere!!

Nick

Manny:
Hi Nick,

Find my father's paycheck and send it to me.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Manny,
What years did he work there? I'll look and see what I can find. Ironically, I found some Hoffman paychecks too.

Nick

Manny:
Hi Nick,

My father worked there during the 1960s through the 1970s, when he retired. I also worked there during the summers of 1969 and 1970 as a shape-up (non-union) employee.

I believe my mother still has some of my father's uniforms with the stitched Pabst labels on them.

Joyce:
Hi Nick. See if there is a paycheck there for Ralph Villani, he was a school pal of my dad's, and my godfather.

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Manny,
I would love to see those old uniforms. The logo would probably not be square, but crowned on top, like an arch. They changed the logo to square in the late 1960s. Don't discard them...everything old is new these days.

Joyce,
I didn't see any Villiani but I'll look. Was he Marie's husband by any chance?
Nick

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nick. Talk about a small world and coincidents. My grandfather, Bruno Spohn and his brother Henry Spohn came to America in the late 1800's with my great-grandparents. Henry's wife was Freda, and they had four daughters - Evelyn, Lillian, Elsie, and Ann. At various times they lived right around the Pabst buildings. One time at 412 Grove Street and then again at 9 Gladstone Ave. Evelyn was actually born in the house on Gladstone Ave. She worked for Hoffman/Pabst in the 40's and 50's and was living on Grove Street at that time. Lillian is still alive and living down in South Jersey. All of the others have now passed on.

Joyce:
Hi, again, Nick. No Ralph Villani's wife's name was Eleanor. But he may have had a sister or sister-in-law named Marie.

Joyce:
Hi, again, Nick. No Ralph Villani's wife's name was Eleanor. But he may have had a sister or sister-in-law named Marie.

Pat Brown McCormick:
Jule,
My aunt and uncle lived on Gladstone in the late 50's/early 60's. I don't know the number of the house but it was across from the school's playground. Their last name is Fellezola and there were 4 sons when they lived there (they later had a fifth). They moved to Commonwealth Avenue in the mid 60's.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Pat. My father lived at 36 Gladstone Ave in the late 60's. The family that owned that house was the Becherer's. They had several daughters whom you might have known - Marie, Carol, Barbara, and one other. That house was also right across the street from the school. He also lived at 34 Dassing Ave in 1966. That was right on the corner of Gladstone Ave. My friends Dot and Red Tortorello owned the house at #36 Dassing Ave.

Joyce:
Hi once again, Nick. The Ralph Villani I speak of was married to Eleanor Suydam, this being her maiden name. I'm pretty sure Ralph had a sister-in-law named Marie, married to one of Ralph's brothers.

J.M.:
Joyce,
Hi I don't know if you are referring to the Ralph Villani who was Mayor of Newark at one time, but he was married and when his wife died he married Marie who became Marie Villani that was on the council of Newark. I am related to this family.

Quint:
Joyce, et al.
I remember a Ralph Villani that was Mayor of Newark and just recently I saw, in our local paper, The Desert Sun, a letter written by a Ralph Villani, a teacher. Could he be related to Mayor Villani or the other Villanis mentioned?...I don't know but I intend to find out.

J.M.:
Ralph Villani the teacher is the nephew of Ralph Villani the mayor. His father Carmine Villani and Ralph Villani the mayor were brothers. What did Ralph Villani the teacher write in the paper?

Joyce:
Hi guys. No, Ralph Villani, my godfather, was not mayor. They were no relation. And I made a mistake on his wife Eleanor's maiden name - not Suydam - but Sachman.
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Who remembers Olympic Park?

We were not allowed to go there in the 50's during the era when polio was a dreaded disease as my dad believed that crowds like the throngs there increased a child's chances of getting polio.

When we finally got there in about '56, my brother and I felt as though we were in heaven. If I close my eyes I can still see the famous clown face trademark.

And the day in '58 when we were allowed to go there by ourselves on the bus was awesome! Some other kids went too, and we had a great time. Some of us used some of our precious spending money to buy a ride on a pony that was in the street on the way to OP. What memories!

Margaret

Margaret Martinson:
Nobody out there to reminisce about Irvington's Olympic Park??

I guess that my dad wasn't the only one who didn't allow his children to go there in those days when there was no defense against polio.

Margaret

Ted Cristobal:
Hi Margaret, if you go to the Old Newark site then click on parks you will find some nice photos and stuff about Olympic Park

Margaret Martinson:
Thanks, Ted!

Margaret

Mary Ellen:
HI Margaret, I did write a nice note but it wouldnt go through. Yes, Olympic Park was THE best! Those mirrors made us all laugh our heads off...and the whip and roller coaster and the pool..!!!
In the late 40s...when I lived in the Seth Boyden projects...polio was scaring everyone. We had a shower that the project provided for us and it was turned off because of the threat.So I know what your fathers fears were.
Nice to see you here...and I love your name!!! Was thinking of it when I had my 5 daughters. But alas...no Margarets I'm afraid! Bye for now!

Quint:
Margaret,
It would be impossible to count all the days of the 1940s that I went to Olympic Park to swim and then to watch the free circus that took place in an area right next to the pool. We listened to the music of Joe Basile, road the roller coaster and walked through the Haunted House. In 1950 I had my palm read by the Fortune Teller who told me I was going on a long trip. Smart lady, she recongnized my marine haircut, figured I was gonna ship out and not too much later I was on my way to Korea...that was the last time I was in Olympic Park.

Carol O:
Mary Ellen,
Did you go to Dayton Street
School?
1950?

Margaret Martinson:
Quint, thanks for sharing those great memories!

Margaret

Mary Ellen:
Hi Carol...no I didnt. My brother and I went to St Charles School.From there we went to St Michaels in north Newark.

Burt Benenson:
I lived in Irvington from 1951 to 1965 (ages 2-16) and, thinking back, I feel like I should have gone to Olympic Park every day it was open! Even today, if I smell a certain type of wood, it makes me think of the smell of the picnic tables near the main entrance. I never was allowed in the pool, either.

Barb:
I remember Olympic Park very well. Went swimming there. then rode the Ferris and then rode the i think they were called divebombers. And I still have my Q-pe doll i won there.
We went there the after graduatings grade school. Everyone had a blast Everyone has a story or two abiut it.
The late 40's and 50's there were some polio cases down neck.
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For My pal Ron Hayes you think you are smart guy over in trivia but thats are right I`m smileing frm head to foot after going back from this trip with a pocket full going to the Devil Ray`s this afternoon so good bye Keansburg Kid
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I GRADUATED FROM ST. ROSE OF LIMA IN JUNE 1935. ANYONE REMEMBER ST ROSE'S OF THAT ERA.

Margaret Martinson:
Margaret:

Re: Bill Donnelly - my brother told me that he was working as a bartender in Cryan's back in the 80's, so he well may have moved to Smith Street. His wife was Eleanor; she was a dietician at one of the Newark hospitals in the 70's. I think they might have divorced at some point. Their oldest was Patty, probably in her 40's now, then Billy, also in his 40's, and last, Mary, probably in her 30's.

So maybe the Bill Donnelly you are thinking of is the father, who would now be in his 70's or the son.
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Vailsburg from 1953-1978 - Anyone live there during those years?

Nick DeBenedetto:
Hi Margaret,
Welcome to OldNewark...I think most of us on this site lived in Vailsburg at one time...and all between those years.

Where did you live? I was on Oakland Terrace.
Nick

Margaret Martinson:
Hi Nick,

When we moved from New York City [upper East Side] in the summer of '53, we lived on Sanford Avenue, very near the corner of 18th Ave.

In early fall of '56, my parents bought our first home. It was nearby, on Richelieu Terrace, just around the corner from Sanford Ave. If you remember Dr. Robert Fahringer the dentist, his home-office was just around the block from our house.

We lived there till '78 when we moved to Maplewood, just up South Orange Ave and one house in from Wyoming Ave.

Where did you go to grammar school? My brother and I went to Sacred Heart School; then I went to Our Lady of the Valley HS in Orange and Eddie went to Seton Hall Prep when it was still on the grounds of SHU.

Margaret

Jule Spohn:
Hello Margaret. Welcome Home!!!

Margaret Martinson:
Please check my post at #722; it has names etc of my old Vailsburg neighbors.

My maiden name was McColgan.

This is a great site! It means so much to be able to reminisce with all of you about a very special place and time.

Margaret

Margaret Martinson:
Thanks for the welcome, Jule!

Margaret

Manny:
Welcome aboard, Margaret. I, too, lived in Vailsburg. My folks bought a house in 1957 on Palm Street, right down from the firehouse, and sold that house in 1979. I went to Sacred Heart School; graduated in '62. My sisters also went to school there.

Janice:
Margaret; What year did you graduate from the Valley? Had several friends in '66/'67

Margaret Martinson:
Hi Janice,

I graduated from the Valley in '62, so I wouldn't know any of your friends. It is so sad that OLV HS is no more. I last saw it in July '97. It was being used as a parochial school but not a hs. No one seems to know what happened to it that caused its demise.

Margaret

Nick:
Hi Margaret,
I remember the corner of Sanford and 18th well. I walked down, and up that hill every day on my way to school at Irvington Tech. If you were heading down the hill there was a vacant lot on the corner on the right. The next house lived the Hinez family. Across 18th Ave. were a few stores, probably the ones you mentioned.

I went to Lincoln School and IT. My 3 older sisters all graduated Vailsburg High. My younger brothers wentto OLV for a while, but they closed down, and that's when my parents moved to Woodbridge. I stayed in Newark for a while, got married and moved to Kearny for 2 years, then Woodbridge.

Janice:
Margaret, That would put you in the range with my brother,who grad from Mountain in 62.I did the Catholic school in Verona and then went public.

TOMMY"O":
MARGARET....MY FATHERS BROTHER AND FAMILY LIVED ON RICHELIEU TERR. DURING THOSE YEARS..NAME WAS O'BEIRNE...HE WAS A FIRE FIGHTER.

Margaret Martinson:
Hi Tommy,

I think that I remember your uncle and his family, very nice folks. We had a fireman right next door to us: Bill Donnelly. He and his family were still there when we moved to Maplewood in '78.

Thanks for the info; it is so pleasant to remember neighbors from those years.

Margaret

Margaret Martinson:
Nick and Manny,

Good to hear from you, too. This website is the next best thing to a time machine!

Margaret

MARGARET JOOST:
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER GRACE GANG. SHE LIVED AT 372 SO ORANGE AVE. ALSO, BILL DONNELLY WHO RESIDED AT 127 SMITH ST.

Margaret Martinson:
Margaret -

When was Bill Donnelly living on Smith Street? Our neighbor, a career fire-fighter, lived next to us on Richelieu Terrace from about 1959 or so and was still residing there when we moved in '78.
His only son was Billy Donnelly, who became a manager of the South Orange Avenue Shop-Rite or King's in the 70's or thereabouts.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Margaret

MARGARET JOOST:
BILL DONNELLY WOULD BE IN HIS 80S. HE GRADUATED FROM CENTRAL HS IN 1939 AND LIVED ON SMITH ST.AT THAT TIME.
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Hi,
People are writing about Asbury Park and Bradley Beach but no one has mentioned the town in between: Ocean Grove! In 1956 my mother was able to transfer her job as a telephone operator for the summer from Newark to Asbury Park. We had an apartment in Ocean Grove for the whole summer! It was the only vacation our family ever had except for when I was a preschooler. This was in 1956 and it was the last year the transfer was possible. Ocean Grove hasn't changed much since then. It's still very peaceful and religion is a big draw. It's a little gentrified and cars are now allowed in on Sunday. I don't know if swimming is still banned on Sundays.

Charles McGrath:
Hello Caroline,

"People are writing about Asbury Park and Bradley Beach but no one has mentioned
the town in between: Ocean Grove! "

My grandfather was almost arrested for drinking on its beach in the early 1920's.
See" The Little Down Neckers Part 8" that I wrote in Old Newark Memories.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. I was in Ocean Grove this past weekend as a side trip to Asbury Park. I wanted to have lunch there but all of the restaurants (about 6 or so) on the main street were packed and had long waiting lines. It is still a great "little" town.

Quint:
Caroline,
My only memory of Ocean Grove is that it was a segregataed community and minorities were not only not welcome but were not allowed on the beach there. That was back in the 30's...hopefully, things have changed since then.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Quint. Along that same line of thought, I can still remember that back in the 40's and probably into the early 50's on the smaller beach area, on the farther side of Convention Hall, in Asbury Park, there was a pole in the middle of the beach with a sign that read: FOR COLORED'S ONLY.

Bob Certo:
Hi Caroline,
My family spent there summers in Ocean Grove. The Albee 5 generations picture on this website was taken in Ocean Grove in 1950 on the side of my family's hotel. My grandmother spent cam from Newark in the summers and helped her grandmother with the hotel. My Great Uncle Howard Birch a retired Newark Policeman ran it until his death in 1979. I have alot of old pictures of Ocean Grove.

Caroline:
Hi,
About segregation: I remember that REALLY little beach at the north end of Ocean Grove, but not a sign that said "for colored only." I do recall someone telling me that that was what it was but I didn't take them seriously. I never saw anyone on that beach or swimming there. Since some of you are saying it was segregated I guess it was true. I never saw it tested. But very few people in the 1950's would have tried to do that. Times have changed so much for the better. I do not believe Ocean Grove is segregated now but that prejudice exists unofficially. (See next entry).

Caroline:
Hi,
Writing about the segregation issue brought a memory back. This happened about 10 to 15 years ago: My uncle who had a summer home in Ocean Grove was walking down the main avenue to the beach that is lined with bed and breadfasts. He came across two elderly Black ladies who were in tears standing next to their suitcases. They had reservations for the week at a B&B but were refused registration by the owner because they were Black. My uncle took them home with him. He and my aunt had them stay with them for free for the week.

Rose:
Hi Caroline, Where in Newark,did your Mother work? 281 Washington,or William Sts Market,Mitchell office?

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. The beach with the FOR COLORED ONLY sign was in Asbury Park, not Ocean Grove. The beach there between the Casino and the Convention Hall was for white people. The beach on the other side of Convention Hall - a much smaller beach - had the FOR COLORED ONLY sign.

I'm going down to Asbury Park on Monday and will spend some time in their library looking at old photo's from the 40's and 50's. I'll try to see if I can spot this sign on one of those photo's.

Caroline:
Hi Rose,
My mother worked for the telephone company for many years (about 30 or so). At least half of that time was at 281 Washington St. (the building at the corner of Washington and Branford Pl.) where she was a long distance operator and later a supervisor and then an assistant chief operator. After that she worked in training and special services for operators and that was out of an office on Park Pl. Do you know someone who worked at 281? If you do, I bet my mother knows her or him.

Rose:
Hello Again Caroline, I'm retired from the phone company.I also worked a short time on LD#5,281 Washington St.Talk to you again soon.Take care.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Caroline. Ask your mother if she knew Peggy Tansey. She worked for the phone company for many, many, years staring back in the 60's.

Rose:
TO: Jule Spohn, I Knew Peggy Tansey originally from Fairmount Ave.Is that the person your thinking of?If so,she went with AT&T after the split in"84".

Caroline:
Hi Rose,
My mother worked on LD 6 West. She wants to know what your last name is.

Caroline:
To Jule:
I asked my mother about Peggy Tansey. She didn't recognize the name.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Rose and Caroline. The Peggy Tansey I am referring to grew up by me on 11th Street and 13th Ave. I don't think that she ever lived on Fairmount Ave. I'm stil in touch with her brother Tommy Tansey and I'll ask him. I know that she was with the phone company for many, many, years back in the 70's and 80's.

MARGARET JOOST:
I ALSO WORKED FOR NJ BELL ON WASHINGTON ST. RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. I WAS AN INFROMATION OPERATOR. LATER BECAME AN LD OPERATOR FOR A SHORT TIME UNTIL I WAS OFFERED A JOB AT WESTERN ELECTRIC IN KEARNEY.
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Nice web spot!! Keep it up forever, guys. I'll be stopping by simetimes.

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Tony Lambiasi:

When you recall your musician uncle's accordion being full of holes in the nightclub gangster shoot-up, you might say his accordion proved hole-ly
appropriate for the occasion.
You might look at it this way: Better an accordion full of holes than your uncle full of the same.

-- Nat
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Spent last week at a senior adult camp in Lake Como PA.

One of the guest lecturers, over a 5-day period, talked on the evolution of Jewish life in America over several centuries.

On the 4th day, he had scheduled a segment on Jewish gangsters. He was familiar with my Old Newark recollection of Newark's Longy Zwillman and invited me to cover the gangster portion with a few minutes on Zwillman.

I pulled up and printed my Old Newark memory on Zwillman on the camp computer, and read it to the group of about 65-75
seniors, some from as far north as Saratoga, and as far sout as Miami.

They loved it and for two days afterward came over to me and asked questions. One Florida woman, formerly from NJ, said she had looked into buying Zwillman's West Orange home in which he met his death, but backed off when she learned its history.

-- Nat Bodian

Tony Lambiase:
My Uncle who's now deceased knew him, my uncle was not a gangster but a professional accordion player and used to play in all the Newark nightclubs. If he did not talk about Zwillman, I probably would have not heard of him

Tony Lambiase:
I forgot to add something. My was playing one night for Zwillman and a gun battle occured between a couple of gang rivals. He said it was like in the movies, the lights went off and guns were blazing. My uncle did not get hit but his accordion was full of holes. They felt bad for him and bought him a new one.

Janice:
Nat, Just a question.. Where was his home in W.O. I was raised there and never heard of him or his home.

Joan Niven:
Longy Zwillman's brother Irving was my Attorney back in the 1950's. My uncle was friends with him.

Margaret Martinson:
Janice and Everyone:

Longy Zwillman's home was on Beverly Road in West Orange near Mitchell Place or Ave, not far from the Llewellyn Park section. If you google on his name, you will find many sites about him. Nat's is the best!

Janice:
That's why the name is a new one to me. I was from 'up the hill'. Lived in the Valley after I married. Thanks for the answer!
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